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The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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I've been on Reddit since 2008 myself and was an avid user of forums etc for years before that. When I started on Reddit there was already an element of things having changed, a move away from niche technology discussion towards lowest common denominator stuff and discussion by meme. In general this was fine as you could just move to smaller subreddits, and the bigger pages had fun cultures that permeated the others…

Reddit always had an element of \dchan in it ever since user subs were created. Coontown (and the preceding slur subreddit), FPH etc. In my view this is just a symptom of the wider populace gaining access to internet forums and the cultural shift mass internet usage brought. As in, there have always been darker corners of the internet, just that the people who frequented them had to have some level of nerdiness/geeki…

There always having been elements of racism and violent misogyny doesn't preclude there being either a quantitative or qualitative shift in how much Reddit as a whole is steered by such ideas.

Back in 2010 there would be discussions about places like /r/jailbait, about the tradeoffs between free speech and public safety etc. Now there are subreddits openly sharing child pornography with links to the social media accounts of the children and their families, and Reddit auto responds that these things don't violate their usage policies when reported.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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The smartest thing reddit has done was learn from Digg. They've done a FUCKLOAD of dumb stuff. A truly phenomenal amount. Some of the issues stem from just growing and having your crowd change and EVERY marketing company out there working to control your content, but they have very impressively managed to make a baffling number of stupid decisions. But, you can opt out. It's dumb that you need to, it's dumb that they…

the day the get rid of old.reddit.com I'll be gone looking for something more to my liking. The retro reddit is the best reddit.

I finally switched to a 3rd party app (Apollo) and _gee_ is it nice to use reddit without an actively hostile UI.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Because the right wing were organising insurrections?

And yet the violent BLM mobs that literally set on fire and looted businesses and shops that had nothing to do with the actual cause were not only not condemned but also glorified and celebrated. You will not convince me that stealing TVs from target during riots that let to many unjustified injuries and deaths is about seeking justice. I’m not even American and this was completely obvious. Please let’s not pretend w…

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Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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> The difficult change I've seen in the past few years is the rising number of hate and harassment subs, and Reddit tolerating them. If you scroll through the top of /r/BanFemaleHateSubs or /r/AgainstDegenerateSubs you'll see how bad things have become and how unsafe the general environment is. The r/BanThisandThat subreddits are little more than morality police. Many of those posts will take statements out of contex…

Have you looked at the subs they're talking about? They're sharing collections of zip folders of girls openly advertised as as young as 13, they're stalking women via social media sending descriptions of their potential rape to their family, they're robbing women's houses and sharing their stolen belongings, they're flashing, groping and ejaculating on women in public and filming it for upvotes. Call it morality poli…

I think the point that GP is making is not that every subreddit that a group of people complain about is nothing to be concerned or worried about; rather, that people who inhabit subs dedicated to banning other subs operate within a moral framework which on the whole is dubious at the edges. For example, clamoring to ban consensual non-consent (CNC, a form of kink) subreddits because they perceive it as "normalizing" certain behaviors, or banning content of fictional characters, or banning support groups where various "degenerate" people frequent. These are edge cases which do not fit into the generalization of "jailbait"/"stealthing"/"creepshot" subreddits, which are non-consensual by nature. It's disingenuous to suppose that a subreddit for roleplaying BDSM/risque fantasies between members falls under the same moral realm of regulation as subreddits that post links to childrens' social media accounts to gather risque photos.

I'm all for illegal and non-consensual content subreddits to be banned. That's not all the mentioned "Ban This and That" subs are asking for, so I won't accept their moral opinions beyond the issues of non-consenting and illegal materials. They are prescribing a sexual morality, one which I, and I think many reasonable people, disagree with or at least have qualms with. If you don't believe me, r/BFHS seems to be a hotspot for anti-kink and anti-porn activists who suggest that women with kinks need to "heal"[0]. If that's not moralizing, I'm not sure what is.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/BanFemaleHateSubs/comments/unaa88/c...

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Do people really unironically believe that?

Because that's true. When American democracy is no more, and a republican administration has denied any other political party from holding political office, remember that no one cleaned house in the American right wing, and let everyone slowly turn into the fascists.

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Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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> I tried searching for "Hunter Biden" on Reddit To be fair, Reddit's search is completely broken. The only way you can get decent results is using Google...

Ironically, on this specific topic, Google has its own problems. If I search for "hunter biden emails" on Google, I get page after page of media analysis telling me what to think, but no link to the emails themselves. If I used that same search term on Yandex, the page hosting the emails is the very first result.

Oh yeah, I forgot that Google has also gone downhill. At least Reddit's search is consistent. ;)

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Yeah... usually the 'worst' that could happen is their specific account being shaddow-banned. Being _permabanned_ suggests that they've done something particularly egregious. Either that, or their behavior is indistinguishable from a spam bot.

It could also be something as innocuous as software piracy. Not sure about reddit specifically but a lot of websites will immediately nuke anybody who tries to link to pirated content because they're terrified of getting sued.

Reddit has a fairly lively /r/piracy subreddit.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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I'm curious what reddit even aspires to be at its greatest. Most of the popular subreddit's comment sections have top rated comments being something totally predictable and sarcastic. Right now the top post on r/news is [1] Contrasted to the equivalent story on hackernews: [2] There isn't anything remotely thought provoking in the top rated comments on reddit as there is on hackernews. It seems to me this isn't due t…

Funny that you say that. I found the comments on that hacker news thread predictably awful, like all even slightly political discussion on hnews. People trying to one up each other with edgy comments on why the ruling is actually a good thing and how smart they are. A display of privilege and of a real lack of empathy

Hacker news is one of the worst communities on the internet but the headlines are better than most aggregating sites. Though I see more and more postings that also came across my Google news feed so HN is losing a lot of its utility for me.

But it's a good place to see where the wind is blowing in terms of the ongoing radicalization of white men.

Re: The fall of Reddit: Why it’s quickly declining into chaos

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Very few communities do that, and you generally aren't missing out getting banned from them anyway.

Default subs are doing this. It's one thing if a small sub does strange things, but if a massive sub that explicitly recommend by Reddit acts like this (for years now!), it sends a pretty clear message.

Small nitpick: default subreddits no longer exist. The admins killed the notion after one of the blackouts.

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As someone who was involved with many internet communities long before reddit, it sounds like the author is just experiencing the eternal September[0]. Pretty much since the day I found out about reddit in... 2008-ish?, everyone in the online communities I knew thought it was filled with awful pseudointellectual teenagers and college students, that the upvote/downvote system was horrible and encouraged people to post…

> lack of individual identifiers beyond usernames, like avatars and signatures from a typical internet forum of the day. I wonder if this is done on purpose, to nudge people into thinking of individual users not as people but as voices of a "hivemind". Even today, usernames are de-emphasized in the UI in contrast to names of threads or subreddits. That's most prominent on the front-page ("r/all") where posts don't sh…

Some redditors use Reddit Enhancement Suite.

> - How many engaging conversations have you had on HN in the last year?

- None that I remember, thank goodness. One man's conversations are another man's flame wars.

> - How many people do you know on HN?

- At the very least, knowing HN users' affiliations and posting tendencies is key to quickly blocking unwanted ideological noise, whether it concerns international politics or programming languages.

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