The author, being an obvious Star Trek fan, should be asking "What can we do as a species to prevent ourselves becoming the Borg?"
He might arrive at an alternative conclusion.
The need for world government
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Re: The need for world government
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
The mother decided to have unprotected sex. There’s a reason women get pregnant. This isn’t some magical thing that is forced on women. Cause and effect. The body inside her body is not hers. Unfortunately biology does not conform to our fantasyland. Forcing those who are against this to pay a fine is against their will.
> The mother decided to have unprotected sex Or she was raped, or nobody taught her anything but religious abstinence bullshit and she didn't even know the ramifications. > The body inside her body is not hers So if you take that "body" inside her out of her, what happens to it? It dies unless it's the late stages (what, 6 months in?) It's entirely dependent on her to grow to become a human being.
You should stop bringing rape or incest on this subject, it’s not useful to the cause.
Abortion should be a a right regardless of the reasons. It’s not more of a right because the woman was raped. In both cases, they don’t want a thing growing in their uterus, no matter their reasons.
The real problem is, in my opinion: should we force a human to maintain another human against their will? What if we could extract the fetus and grow it in vitro instead of aborting it? In the same vein, does a parent legally have to be an organ donor for their child?
These are questions we can answer and debate on even if we disagree on whether a fetus is alive or not.
Re: The need for world government
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Authoritarian is forcing a mother to have a child she doesn’t want! It’s her body! If you force your opinion on something that should be exclusively her concern then you are the “authoritarian”
It's not her body since conception. It's another human's body inside her body. I personally don't think we should have governments protecting lives or rights or anyone - therefore if abortion happens that's unfortunate but I wouldn't spend resources chasing that. That said abortion is obviously murder and immoral, no matter how convenient it can be.
> abortion is obviously murder and immoral
No, it’s not « obvious ». Many disagree on that, that’s kind of the whole point of the current debate.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is such bulshit! I know, a different opinion on a left wing dominant forum. It’s pretty wild. > First and foremost willing unprotected sex is not the only reason for getting pregnant! Contraceptive are not 100% effective and there is rape. I address this in another comment below. > Third sometimes there are medical reasons for abortions (Malta recently almost killed a mother that had a miscarriage… the child w…
It was bulshit not because it was a different opinion but because it was a very poor argument! An embryo is incapable of surviving outside of the womb! A fetus might if it’s old enough! Nobody anywhere perform abortions at a stage where the fetus could survive without the mother in an nicu!
An embryo I agree cannot survive out of the womb, but what an embryo is, is a stage of human life. It’s still a human. Let’s not start trying to decide who is human enough to live.
In Colorado you can get an abortion up to 9 months. There’s legislation trying to pass abortion allowance up to the moment of birth, and some have been recently successful in passing. Many states in the US allow abortions in 2nd trimester which is where a baby can survive outside the womb in a NICU.
Re: The need for world government
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
An embryo is not a human
> An embryo is not a human So a human female and a human male copulate and they conceive something not-human? What species is it if it is not Homo sapiens ? If it is not Homo sapiens , why does it apparently have human DNA (distinct from either the female and male that were involved)? Why is it that when two humans copulate, they produce something not-human, but when every other mammal pairs copulate they produce som…
En embryo might eventually become a human but is not one yet! You need a decently developer brain at least… being a small agglomeration of cells with human dna doesn’t make you a human! A tumor is an agglomeration of cells with human dna but is not treated as a person!
On general is a gradual process… but like with every fuzzy system it is easy in some case to say if something belongs ta a category or not but when you reach the overlap of categories to becomes harder. Just set the threshold when it is still clear
Re: The need for world government
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
An embryo is a stage of being a human. As you say, you were an embryo yourself. It's only because we can't see it that we feel it's not human enough and can be killed. The thought of not being "human enough" doesn't bode well in our history, especially around the 1940s timeframe.
A spermatozoon is a stage of being human… so is an “egg cell” but nobody is forcing people to allow them all to develop into humans! And no… the nazi example has nothing to do with it (and I say it as a person whom all grandparents got sent to concentration camps by nazis)
This argument at its core is trying to justify at what stage of development this is considered human enough to protect. I think it’s a similar line of thinking as eugenics.
Re: The need for world government
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not yet a child when you perform an abortion!
> It’s not yet a child when you perform an abortion! Just to be clear: are we talking about the pre-birth situation or the post-birth situation (as practice in the Netherlands)?
If they are born it’s not an abortion anymore! Although I do support euthanasia… had I had some serious defect I wish my parents had the decency to kill me early on or have an abortion.
Re: The need for world government
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
> what would be the global policy on abortion? The U.N. Human Rights Committee has a recent (2019) publication[1], "General comment no. 36, Article 6 (Right to Life)" that contains an entry that is relevant to this question. Page two, item eight under "General Remarks": "Although States parties may adopt measures designed to regulate voluntary termination of pregnancy, those measures must not result in violation of t…
So Poland and US restrictions are blatantly against the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. That's a fun fact to know.
Poland is not exactly a doing well at the moment!
Re: The need for world government
#89I used to think that global government would be a good idea but I now realize that this was incredibly naive. Now that I understand human nature better and how the worst aspects of human nature tend to concentrate around the centers of power, I cannot think of anything more dangerous than a world government. I actually advocate for the opposite; break up existing governments and make them smaller; no government shoul…
There are 47 cities that have more than 5 million people in the official boundaries (71 if you count the surrounding area). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities
Re: The need for world government
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Cultural differences will require that different populations operate and behave differently so you have local/regional government, responsible for local and regional policies. But global policies would be controlled by a global gov't.
sounds a lot like Russia
Or the US with Federal and State law