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> The point is that a depressed person can't do those things. You seem to have missed that. A depressed person can. The hardest thing for a depressed person is starting. But often when they can start they feel rewarded. But starting is the hardest thing in the world. Then there’s the problem of biological and neurological depression. Medicine doesn’t help with biological depression much if at all.
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> The point is that a depressed person can't do those things. You seem to have missed that. A depressed person can. The hardest thing for a depressed person is starting. But often when they can start they feel rewarded. But starting is the hardest thing in the world. Then there’s the problem of biological and neurological depression. Medicine doesn’t help with biological depression much if at all.
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Do you know what pre natal depression is? Anti depressants do not always work. Because it’s not a serotonin issue.
Don’t tell me I’m spreading misinformation when I’m literally going through this right now with my wife.
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> Please don't spread misinformation. You hurt people when you do this. Do you know what pre natal depression is? Anti depressants do not always work. Because it’s not a serotonin issue. Don’t tell me I’m spreading misinformation when I’m literally going through this right now with my wife.
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You know what’s best for you. I’m wondering though if you’ve tried the non-pharmaceutical options already? Daily exercise, time outside, eating healthy, limiting screen time, sleeping well, and all that. A lot of studies have found doing these things to be at least as effective as SSRIs. They can create hormonal and neurochemical changes that are just as strong. Check out some of Andrew Huberman’s podcasts for more o…
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I’m aware that low energy is a symptom of depression, but it doesn’t always render a person incapable of taking any of these steps.
I think that some people who are in a bad place don’t know that these ‘natural’ remedies can change someone’s brain chemistry as dramatically as drugs do. Perhaps knowing this can help provide the motivation to try.
Antidepressants can have some unpleasant side effects and can be hard to get off of, so it’s worth trying alternatives first imho. But of course the best solution depends on the person and their unique situation.
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You seem to have missed that I was asking a question. I’m aware that low energy is a symptom of depression, but it doesn’t always render a person incapable of taking any of these steps. I think that some people who are in a bad place don’t know that these ‘natural’ remedies can change someone’s brain chemistry as dramatically as drugs do. Perhaps knowing this can help provide the motivation to try. Antidepressants ca…
No, I didn't. Your question presumes that doing such things are possible and they are likely not.
> I’m aware that low energy is a symptom of depression, but it doesn’t always render a person incapable of taking any of these steps.
You are misinformed. It often does.
> I think that some people who are in a bad place don’t know that these ‘natural’ remedies, especially when stacking them, can change someone’s mental state as powerfully as drugs do. Perhaps knowing this can help provide the motivation to try.
Yeah, this is harmful psuedo-scientific thinking. Yes, those things can change them, but again, your assumption is faulty. They cannot change them if they cannot be enacted, which depression often prevents from happening.
> Antidepressants can have some unpleasant side effects, so it’s worth trying alternatives first imho. But of course the best solution depends on the person and their unique situation.
Yeah, they're terrible. That doesn't make your suggestions useful or insightful.
Your posts amounts to "Have you tried not being depressed?" which is frankly insulting.
Not only that, but you insult their and everyone they know's intelligence by thinking you could be the first one to think of these basic things (the same things advertised everywhere.)
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> Please don't spread misinformation. You hurt people when you do this. Do you know what pre natal depression is? Anti depressants do not always work. Because it’s not a serotonin issue. Don’t tell me I’m spreading misinformation when I’m literally going through this right now with my wife.
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> much if at all
Same same.
I’ve spoken to more doctors in the past 5 months than I can count on my hands. The conclusion from all of them is that this is biological depression caused by the pregnancy which medicine most likely won’t help, which is also hindered by the fact she’s pregnant and that limits the available treatment. And this is different to, and quote “neurological” depression happening in the brain which would need constant treatment, so we can only manage the anxiety and bide our time till delivery day.
What you’re saying is that the doctors and the stuff I’ve read is wrong and medical science doesn’t know what they are taking about.
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You seem to have missed that I was asking a question. I’m aware that low energy is a symptom of depression, but it doesn’t always render a person incapable of taking any of these steps. I think that some people who are in a bad place don’t know that these ‘natural’ remedies can change someone’s brain chemistry as dramatically as drugs do. Perhaps knowing this can help provide the motivation to try. Antidepressants ca…
> You seem to have missed that I was asking a question. No, I didn't. Your question presumes that doing such things are possible and they are likely not. > I’m aware that low energy is a symptom of depression, but it doesn’t always render a person incapable of taking any of these steps. You are misinformed. It often does. > I think that some people who are in a bad place don’t know that these ‘natural’ remedies, espe…
Seems like you’re just looking to argue.
Frankly, I don’t really care whether you find my question or my suggestions useful. They weren’t meant for you.
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The same goes for spouses, by the way. You don't have a happy marriage/partnership because you met the person of your dreams and then both accidentally stay the same person forever. Happy marriages exist because people continuously and mutually change each other in a positive way.
This is something that always bothers me. A lot of people forget that you have to work on relationships and then eventually they fall apart. I'm of the opinion that a belief in "soulmates" or finding "the one" or whatever is a big part of the problem: if they're your soulmate, then everything should always be perfect, right? and if its not, then that means they weren't actually the one, so end of relationship and mov…
There's definitely an argument that soulmate don't exist. That anyone can be the one that you want as long as you see it through until you feel indifference. For some people, though, that indifference comes much faster. Trust and respect erode way faster than can be undone.
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> and some respond to treatment > much if at all Same same. I’ve spoken to more doctors in the past 5 months than I can count on my hands. The conclusion from all of them is that this is biological depression caused by the pregnancy which medicine most likely won’t help, which is also hindered by the fact she’s pregnant and that limits the available treatment. And this is different to, and quote “neurological” depres…
No, it's not even close to the same. Plenty of depressions of all sorts are even curable and many others are treatable. One has to look into exactly what they have to determine what to do. What you were saying is super fucking dangerous man.
The doctors don't think that your wife's antenatal depression will respond to medication. That's all you know. Cut the reset of the fat out before you hurt someone.
> I’ve spoken to more doctors in the past 5 months than I can count on my hands.
That sounds terrible, but it doesn't matter how many doctors you talk to if you can't understand what they're talking about or they're dumbing it down for you or something. As I said, all depression is biological. The alternative is impossible. Zero depressions are non-biological. That's nonsense and an indicator you don't totally grasp what's going on. Not all psychiatric depression requires constant treatment. Some is long-term but temporary. Some is caused by brain tumors. There's a very wide spectrum of what can be going on and it's not okay to make sweeping generalizations like you're still doing.
I'm not saying the doctors are wrong, I'm saying that you didn't fully understand what they said or are not communicating it correctly. I understand you've been through a lot and that you've been doing your research too but you need to tone down your epistemic confidence here and come at this with some humility because you're producing some sentences which are flat out false and others that are nonsensical. I know what you mean now, but I still don't think you do.
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> You seem to have missed that I was asking a question. No, I didn't. Your question presumes that doing such things are possible and they are likely not. > I’m aware that low energy is a symptom of depression, but it doesn’t always render a person incapable of taking any of these steps. You are misinformed. It often does. > I think that some people who are in a bad place don’t know that these ‘natural’ remedies, espe…
I say “it doesn’t always”. You reply “it often does”. Seems like you’re just looking to argue. Frankly, I don’t really care whether you find my question or my suggestions useful. They weren’t meant for you.