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Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Sure, reducing animal product consumption is the most effective action one can take.

It's also true that EVs are not a sustainable solution.

But solar panels are not to be sneered at.

There's a lot of evidence backing these 3 points up.

Yet, individual lifestyle changes can only achieve so much. The world needs society-wide political change.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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The problem with this kind of post is not, as you might surmise, that people disagree with the notion that reducing meat consumption is helpful from an emissions perspective. It is that the binary presentation implies an either-or when in fact both are helpful. Plus it just shits on people and nobody likes that.

There is no more time left for this kind of pragmatism. It doesn’t matter it people disagree, the truth is supporting meat consumption is supporting industries that are actively killing us and the planet.

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Or eat grassfed beef, which is grown consuming human-inedible grass that grows for free, instead of being fed human foods that have to be farmed. White Oak Pastures even claims to have a negative carbon footprint[0], according to a report by a third party which, if I remember correctly, also authored the report behind one of the vegan burger's sustainability claims. 0: https://blog.whiteoakpastures.com/blog/carbon-ne…

Grass-fed beef is no real solution to the grain shortage. For one the meat is more expensive, for another there is a limit to the land that can be used as meadows but not for other crops.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Which is a very good thing indeed, because it makes our food system robust by operating at a large caloric surplus. When crop failures lead to rising grain prices, ranchers respond by not buying as much grain for their animals. The result is less Prime-grade beef and a whole lot more grain available.

In reality, rich countries are still buying all the grain they can to feed their livestock and carry on as before, just a bit more expensive, while the poorer populations experience the real shortages.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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I've started eating barley a couple of times a week, which is used primarily as an animal grain. I've found it makes a great alternative to rice or quinoa. From Wikipedia: > Globally 70% of barley production is used as animal fodder,[4] while 30% as a source of fermentable material for beer and certain distilled beverages, and as a component of various foods. It is used in soups and stews, and in barley bread of vari…

Beef and barley soup is excellent.

Lamb shanks, barley, and a good stout or porter are fantastic ingredients for a stew.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Well, providing supporting evidence would be helpful. After a quick look, the data doesn’t seem to support your claim? https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emis... I still get the feeling that 40% of the electricity globally being generated from coal is a far bigger problem. Because of the war, coal usage is actually increasing. https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/06/24/all-the-european-c... Those…

Asking genuinely: what point are you making with that EPA data? That switching our method of transportation is more impactful than switching our diet because transportation is a bigger chunk of the emissions pie?

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Most of the world's grain is eaten by humans' food. We're really really good at efficiently producing grain -- especially field corn (which is not super desirable as human food without significant processing), and we grow lots of animals of all sorts. Naturally, when we can, we feed those animals on field corn -- they don't complain, and it's the cheapest food we can produce for them. In the US we also subsidize corn…

You keep repeating the word "efficient" but there is nothing less efficient than animal farming. By far.

Both in terms of land, water and energy usage.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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A staggering amount of California's water is used for alfalfa, which gets shipped to China to feed cows. In essence, we are allowing certain farmers to sell CA's water to China.

The alfalfa is also used for cows grown in CA for CA residents. That's also a bad thing. Cow farms should be significantly limited in arid climates. There are ecologically better alternatives.
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