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I Finally Found a Solid Debian Tablet: The Surface Go 2
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Re: I Finally Found a Solid Debian Tablet: The Surface Go 2
#182I would pay good money for a Surface 2 with modern internals. The form factor is lovely and the 1920x1280 display is just perfect at ten inches.
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#183It's a "Solid Debian Tablet" because it boots. Linux religionists ignore all problems after booting. Linux and Oss in general are religions like Apple is. "Apple has NEVER done anything wrong," an Apple cleric told me about Antennagate. I've been using Linux for programming work for ten years now, but every time I buy a new machine I try to use Linux natively. In the last attempt, Linux stopped working after I tried…
I understand that your point is about Linux zealots, but this isn't correct:
> linux doesn't support the motherboard wifi chip
Some drivers are included with the kernel and have 1st class support due to their importance but most wireless and video depends on manufacturers due to changing hardware and licencing issues.
You are a software developer, you know this should read "the manufacturer didn't release a Linux driver".
Re: I Finally Found a Solid Debian Tablet: The Surface Go 2
#184It's a "Solid Debian Tablet" because it boots. Linux religionists ignore all problems after booting. Linux and Oss in general are religions like Apple is. "Apple has NEVER done anything wrong," an Apple cleric told me about Antennagate. I've been using Linux for programming work for ten years now, but every time I buy a new machine I try to use Linux natively. In the last attempt, Linux stopped working after I tried…
I agree with your assessment. Linux and open source is, very often, an aftermarket solution. As such, it lags in things like hardware support, design trends, integration with other products. In fact, this is one of the things Microsoft made sure with their business tactics regarding Windows: that Windows should be the primary PC platform. They did their hardest to support this software-wise, with things like backward…
> ings Microsoft made sure with their business tactics regarding Windows: that Windows should be the primary PC platform...and with ruthless business deals
Yes, without doubt, Microsoft make a lot of bad things to Windows being the primary pc platform.
> That said, I lucked out with my Linux experience. Everything I need works well
My friend who uses a USB dongle for Wifi says the same thing!
Re: I Finally Found a Solid Debian Tablet: The Surface Go 2
#185It's a "Solid Debian Tablet" because it boots. Linux religionists ignore all problems after booting. Linux and Oss in general are religions like Apple is. "Apple has NEVER done anything wrong," an Apple cleric told me about Antennagate. I've been using Linux for programming work for ten years now, but every time I buy a new machine I try to use Linux natively. In the last attempt, Linux stopped working after I tried…
I understand that your point is about Linux zealots, but this isn't correct: > linux doesn't support the motherboard wifi chip Some drivers are included with the kernel and have 1st class support due to their importance but most wireless and video depends on manufacturers due to changing hardware and licencing issues. You are a software developer, you know this should read "the manufacturer didn't release a Linux dri…
Regardless of why the driver doesn't exist, the result is the same:
Linux does not support the motherboard Wifi chip.
Probably many Linux problems are not just technical problems, but political problems or other types of problems, but the result is the same: A terrible user experience.
Re: I Finally Found a Solid Debian Tablet: The Surface Go 2
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you ever had anything that resembled the experience or a MacBook Air with a M1? I have a windows running Lenovo t14 for work, and it’s a decent enough laptop but it’s sort of like the stone ages compared to my personal MacBook. It has a terrible mousepad, it’s bulky, it runs out of battery after a two hours even though its factory new (developer specs in non-tech enterprise), the screen isn’t very nice and it’s…
I'm personally expecting Apple Silicon machines to become really good Linux devices within the next year. A killer team is working on it, and they can benefit from the game console effect—ie, Apple sells a limited number of models in large quantities.
Same. I follow a number of team members on twitter and can't wait for it to be a bit more complete. I'll buy an M1 or M2 at that point for sure.
Re: I Finally Found a Solid Debian Tablet: The Surface Go 2
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you ever had anything that resembled the experience or a MacBook Air with a M1? I have a windows running Lenovo t14 for work, and it’s a decent enough laptop but it’s sort of like the stone ages compared to my personal MacBook. It has a terrible mousepad, it’s bulky, it runs out of battery after a two hours even though its factory new (developer specs in non-tech enterprise), the screen isn’t very nice and it’s…
Have you tried an LG Gram? I got myself one, it is one of the closest laptops to a macbook air M1: - extremely light (my 14 inch is a little under 1kg), you'll absolutely feel the difference when holding it vs holding a macbook air M1, and it is very significant. - great screen - amazing keyboard - the fan is very quiet, but the laptop can get a bit warm under load - the touchpad is lacking on windows but is amazing…
I’ll certainly look into them.
Re: I Finally Found a Solid Debian Tablet: The Surface Go 2
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you ever had anything that resembled the experience or a MacBook Air with a M1? I have a windows running Lenovo t14 for work, and it’s a decent enough laptop but it’s sort of like the stone ages compared to my personal MacBook. It has a terrible mousepad, it’s bulky, it runs out of battery after a two hours even though its factory new (developer specs in non-tech enterprise), the screen isn’t very nice and it’s…
I'm personally expecting Apple Silicon machines to become really good Linux devices within the next year. A killer team is working on it, and they can benefit from the game console effect—ie, Apple sells a limited number of models in large quantities.
That would be the best option. My last MacBook lived for 7 years, ideally this one will do the same.
Re: I Finally Found a Solid Debian Tablet: The Surface Go 2
#189I recently got the same tablet in a cheap second-hand deal. Seller had never used it so battery is excellent. Bought it because I wanted to kill time by installing Linux, and it actually wasn't as bad as expected. Could have just disabled secure boot and be done with it, but that was probably where I spent most of my time. Waydroid is was easy to install so I can run both Android and Gnome, but x86-64 Android is so limited in software that I uninstalled it.
What I found was that it's a cool way to play Heroes of Might and Magic 3. Playing that game on a tablet gives the feeling of playing an interactive board game. It runs smoothly in Wine. A pretty important thing in the game is the ability to right click, which didn't work, and I would assume Windows have the same problem (I don't think Windows tablet support would be sufficient), so I wrote a mouse hook in win32 c that enables long press to right click.
There's lots of annoying nuances, like the Gnome 42 icons in the activity list is really small, the on screen keyboard is small and almost unusable in landscape mode (but big in portrait mode) and camera works for gstreamer apps only so no browser support (and the suggested fix doesn't work for Fedora 36).
I removed Windows and have locked the boot order so it won't be altered.
All in all 10/10 as a tablet for someone looking for excuses to tinker with Linux (and win32!).
Re: I Finally Found a Solid Debian Tablet: The Surface Go 2
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with your assessment. Linux and open source is, very often, an aftermarket solution. As such, it lags in things like hardware support, design trends, integration with other products. In fact, this is one of the things Microsoft made sure with their business tactics regarding Windows: that Windows should be the primary PC platform. They did their hardest to support this software-wise, with things like backward…
> ings Microsoft made sure with their business tactics regarding Windows: that Windows should be the primary PC platform...and with ruthless business deals Yes, without doubt, Microsoft make a lot of bad things to Windows being the primary pc platform. > That said, I lucked out with my Linux experience. Everything I need works well My friend who uses a USB dongle for Wifi says the same thing!
> My friend who uses a USB dongle for Wifi says the same thing!
I reckon you may have not tried a recent Linux kernel. Network hardware support is definitely better than MacOS at this point, and is creeping up on Windows in the consumer segment. I've used 5 different devices from 5 different manufacturers on Linux. Only one of them had a WiFi issue, which was only because the distro I was testing didn't ship with the specific driver for it (FWIW it was also a Surface product).
It is curious though, I do see people who share your sentiment but, like the parent comment, I legitimately have no problems with it. My OEM Lenovo desktop from 2014 worked just fine. My new custom-built gaming PC with proprietary everything seems to work fine, too. I genuinely struggle to find devices that run Linux poorly, outside of maybe the gaming laptop space and Macbook market. It's probably one of those Paretto principle things: 80% of people will be offended by the 20% of drivers that are missing from your kernel.