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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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The benefits often outweigh the 'spying on you', which is usually just targeted ads.

It's not about ads. it's about manipulation and gathering data to be used against you at every and any opportunity. The data that's sold and passed around is used to determine things like how much you pay for things vs your neighbor. It determines what services you are offered and at what terms. If a store thinks I make more money than you, I might for example be told they've got a return policy that is much more gen…

Their algorithm dispenses a personalized feed that uses soooo much data from your watch preferences alone, regardless of it's permissions. This is so far ahead of user suggestion systems on other platforms, which are generally driven by collaborative filtering. Which inadvertantly is a stopgap for psychological exploitation of users. Other platforms plateau on their information gathering of profile due to the implicit conformity of the exchanges on social media. Not TikTok though.

I want to start by saying this isn't your Cold War sheen propaganda. This is Harmonious Society, "river crab" propaganda. This method can belie and camouflage the salient points of persuasion, sure. But it's not only intended to stream a deluge of coercive media. The purpose is to dominate the aesthetic discourse around topics, learning as much about you as they can, while ingratiating their clusters of community norms at the same time. There isn't a monolithic identity either. It's about picking the winners of our long form cultural evolution. Country to country data definitely shows varying preferences, but aside from the initial exposure to determine what clusters you associate with, these feeds are tailored heavily by user interaction.

The public description of their process divulges the use of object and character recognition, along with audio/tag keywords, to all items in a video. So even on a virtual machine with no app permissions, this site is making an incredibly detailed profile of your media consumption habits. For example, when you stop watching a video at a certain point, TikTok records what items were in it up to that point making you stay, and what audio/objects occurred at the point of losing interest. This catalog culminates as a set of meticulous preferences that end up correlating to all sorts of useful suggestion information; preferences for video formats(do you like dance videos, rants, or documentary content?), types of speech(language and culture obviously, but also intonation, volume, frequency of use, monologue vs dialogue), length and pacing, even framing of the camera, its all logged and associated with your device and you. Along with this, topics and community clusters are accrued.

This goes way beyond blanket brainwashing or disinformation propaganda in it's effectiveness. It's like if a personal interrogator was assigned to billions of people to know every minute detail of their personal media narratives. And at the same time, became a congenial friend who is coaxing all of them to subtlety shift their identities and preferences. Mass media always takes this trend to some degree, but TikTok isolates the individual's identity. (I didn’t write this lol)

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The benefits often outweigh the 'spying on you', which is usually just targeted ads.

No, this is not an accurate assessment of what is at stake here. So yeah, targeted ads and spooky tv sets are annoying at the least but the poing is that the infrastructure could easily support 1984 style monitors. Regardless of the purpose of current usage, this is infrastructure for a surveillance society. That is the issue. The infrastructure is not going to go away unless we rip it down [down to and including tra…

Their algorithm dispenses a personalized feed that uses soooo much data from your watch preferences alone, regardless of it's permissions. This is so far ahead of user suggestion systems on other platforms, which are generally driven by collaborative filtering. Which inadvertantly is a stopgap for psychological exploitation of users. Other platforms plateau on their information gathering of profile due to the implicit conformity of the exchanges on social media. Not TikTok though.

I want to start by saying this isn't your Cold War sheen propaganda. This is Harmonious Society, "river crab" propaganda. This method can belie and camouflage the salient points of persuasion, sure. But it's not only intended to stream a deluge of coercive media. The purpose is to dominate the aesthetic discourse around topics, learning as much about you as they can, while ingratiating their clusters of community norms at the same time. There isn't a monolithic identity either. It's about picking the winners of our long form cultural evolution. Country to country data definitely shows varying preferences, but aside from the initial exposure to determine what clusters you associate with, these feeds are tailored heavily by user interaction.

The public description of their process divulges the use of object and character recognition, along with audio/tag keywords, to all items in a video. So even on a virtual machine with no app permissions, this site is making an incredibly detailed profile of your media consumption habits. For example, when you stop watching a video at a certain point, TikTok records what items were in it up to that point making you stay, and what audio/objects occurred at the point of losing interest. This catalog culminates as a set of meticulous preferences that end up correlating to all sorts of useful suggestion information; preferences for video formats(do you like dance videos, rants, or documentary content?), types of speech(language and culture obviously, but also intonation, volume, frequency of use, monologue vs dialogue), length and pacing, even framing of the camera, its all logged and associated with your device and you. Along with this, topics and community clusters are accrued.

This goes way beyond blanket brainwashing or disinformation propaganda in it's effectiveness. It's like if a personal interrogator was assigned to billions of people to know every minute detail of their personal media narratives. And at the same time, became a congenial friend who is coaxing all of them to subtlety shift their identities and preferences. Mass media always takes this trend to some degree, but TikTok isolates the individual's identity. (I didn’t write this lol)

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The benefits often outweigh the 'spying on you', which is usually just targeted ads.

It's not about ads. it's about manipulation and gathering data to be used against you at every and any opportunity. The data that's sold and passed around is used to determine things like how much you pay for things vs your neighbor. It determines what services you are offered and at what terms. If a store thinks I make more money than you, I might for example be told they've got a return policy that is much more gen…

Much of the stuff you mention like shops treating rich customers better predates tech and just is kind of how the world is. Likewise "arrested or questioned by police when you've committed no crime" happened pre tech and is more a problem with the police and legal system than say facebook leaking what your preferences are. The worst places I've been with real spying where you got arrested/killed for doing the wrong thing were like 1980s China and Myanmar with little tech and many human spies. I'm skeptical tech makes this worse.

I mean tech is a double edged sword but I'm guessing the positive like police having a job beating people up without being filmed by some phone outweigh stuff like your roomba uploading your floor plan.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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As a heavy stoner in the midst of a quit, I'm very surprised by the numbers you gave. I would characterize 1.5-3g as "heavy smoker", 1/8 oz/day as extremely heavy smoker, and 1/4 oz/day as unbelievable. To put it in monetary terms (error +/-50%) this is about $20/$40/$80 / day, respectfully. I don't intend to change your opinion on this, just sharing my perspective.

I think you're just out of your league ;) I'm also surprised you think 1/4 oz a day is unbelievable. A smoker with a 2 pack a day habit can easily smoke through a 1/4 oz by just replacing half a 0.5g cigarette with cannabis (40 cigs x 0.5 gram => 10g cannabis + 10g tobacco). When I was using concentrates heavily and pressing my own rosin, I was easily using up to an ounce of flower on my worst days (with 15-25% yield…

I smoked more than 3g a day, thats why I’m making these comments.

I don’t really appreciate the outta my league comment, but I’ll take it as a joke. I just am surprised to see these numbers normalized in a discussion. I think we’re just using different definitions. All good,

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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And yet the lesser of the two evils is the one which remains federally illegal. The harm caused by this prohibition far outweighs the harm of some people feeling sick for a few hours after consuming too much cannabis. Articles like this which only focus on negatives of cannabis help perpetuate the even greater harms of cannabis prohibition.

Prohibiton is next to over. > Articles like this which only focus on negatives of cannabis help perpetuate the even greater harms of cannabis prohibition. Knee-jerking against articles like this is perpetuate harm by keeping people in the dark about the very real drawbacks of the drug. You can't make an informed decision about using it without actually know the pros and cons.

>Prohibiton is next to over.

Tell that to the people who continue to be put in prison every day for a plant that is far less harmful than sugar and alcohol

>Knee-jerking against articles like this is perpetuate harm by keeping people in the dark about the very real drawbacks of the drug. You can't make an informed decision about using it without actually know the pros and cons.

Even worse than that, you can't make an informed decision about cannabis when the government, scientists, and the media have been lying to everyone for decades, implicitly and explicitly, in telling them that cannabis is more harmful, addictive, and sickening than sugar and alcohol.

Correcting those lies and adding relative comparative context is not "knee-jerking", its promoting science which can save lives.

Why does that upset you so greatly? I'm not saying people shouldnt be informed about how/how not to use cannabis

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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post #673

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It's not about ads. it's about manipulation and gathering data to be used against you at every and any opportunity. The data that's sold and passed around is used to determine things like how much you pay for things vs your neighbor. It determines what services you are offered and at what terms. If a store thinks I make more money than you, I might for example be told they've got a return policy that is much more gen…

Much of the stuff you mention like shops treating rich customers better predates tech and just is kind of how the world is. Likewise "arrested or questioned by police when you've committed no crime" happened pre tech and is more a problem with the police and legal system than say facebook leaking what your preferences are. The worst places I've been with real spying where you got arrested/killed for doing the wrong t…

> Much of the stuff you mention like shops treating rich customers better predates tech and just is kind of how the world is.

Of course, human nature and corporate greed don't change. The difference is scale. In the past stores had to know you were rich to treat you better. They weren't checking your bank account balance at the door. Now they can and increasing do exactly that.

Same with real spying. Maybe you in 1980s china you had to watch what you said around your neighbors. Today you have to watch what you say while alone in your own home. It's just even just what you say today either, but everything you've said or written over decades that can be mined. You don't have to go to the other side of the globe to see historical examples of how this would have been abused either, Joseph McCarthy would have loved to have this data.

Again, the tech isn't the problem. It's great that was can film police abuses. It's great that we have GPS. What we don't have are regulations that prevent the abuse of our data which is collected and disseminated at an unprecedented scale and never goes away. there exists a permanent record of what you've said, what you've done, and everywhere you've been. We're going to see it used to hurt people more and more often. There are already plans to use this data to attack people who have gotten abortions. It could very soon be used against those in homosexual or interracial relationships as those too are now at risk of becoming crimes.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about ads. it's about manipulation and gathering data to be used against you at every and any opportunity. The data that's sold and passed around is used to determine things like how much you pay for things vs your neighbor. It determines what services you are offered and at what terms. If a store thinks I make more money than you, I might for example be told they've got a return policy that is much more gen…

This is such a dystopian and paranoid view of the system. And unfortunately, I think if it's not totally a reality now, it's one we're heading for as it is the unchecked natural end of our current path.

Everything I mentioned has already been happening, it's just a matter of scale. It's becoming more common as time goes on. If it hasn't impacted you personally already, it will although you may not be aware of it.

If your insurance rates go up next year, you won't be told that it was because people in your area spent more on fast food over the last 6 months than last year. you just get the highe4r bill.

What I fear is that we'll end up with a digital caste system where people are treated very differently based on hidden scores that follow them everywhere.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

Can confirm. Two of my kids use THC pretty regularly and they seem content with a life that is paying the bills but not really leading anywhere. The third does not (AFAIK) and is on a much higher trajectory. All had pretty much the same upbringing, rules, experiences, and discipline. I've never used it, so don't have personal experience.

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I only have done a few marathon or longer races. When I was running regularly I would do 25-30 miles a week. It is doing that for decades which messes you up eventually.

It really depends on running form and individual physiology. Some runners are more resilient than others, and using good technique makes a major difference in injury risk. But my point is that you can run reasonably fast in races with fairly low running mileage. Do most of the base and tempo workouts cross training on an elliptical machine or something, and save the running for interval workouts.

> It really depends on running form and individual physiology

True enough. I too have read "Born to Run", and would suggest that most modern humans aren't adapted to it (certain populations certainly, but most not). Although I have hit reasonably good times, I don't count myself among that population. In high school and in my 30's, I certainly was in the 90th percentile of runners, just by the numbers. Individual races, definitely higher. I love to look at the form and economy of top tier runners, and frankly, I'm not built like that; I could never perform like that. I'm bound to break down eventually, and I'm pretty good at running.

> on an elliptical machine or something

This is not running. This is training for running by not-running. Dress it up how you like, but it's how people like me save the damaging work for races.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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There is no doubt. This article is BS. One hundred percent bad faith. Maybe they should think to mention the millions of people on cannabis prescriptions who have had massive benefits.

Did they say alcohol and sugar aren't health risks? Are you calling them liars for pointing out the struggles of teenagers who are taking huge amounts of mind-altering substances? Did they say Cannabis doesn't have health benefits for people who take it for prescribed reasons? Did the article itself advocate or give voice to advocates of "re-prohibition" outright?

I am saying they have an agenda.
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