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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

> I'll be the begrudging devils advocate

I'm reading this comment, and many others, and I am in awe, just how utterly heartless and soulless people are on Hacker News.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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The Supreme Court neither banned abortion nor prohibited the legislature from protecting the right to abortion. It merely decided that it is not currently protected by constitution, which to me seems completely correct. If most people agree that it should be a constitutional right, no one stops the legislature from adding the required amendment. And if most people can't agree on that, well, adding that wouldn't be de…

>"If most people agree that it should be a constitutional right, no one stops the legislature from adding the required amendment. " Meanwhile bunch of states will make abortions illegal. I think Texas already has with some technicalities but correct me if I am wrong.

40 million women in about 20 states just lost all legal access to abortions.

Additional states will follow soon, but there is no "meanwhile" for a lot of the country. It's already done.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

#623

Separate abortion from Roe v. Wade. The big challenge has been that Roe v. Wade was horribly decided. Even RBG thought so. Roe v wade gave the Supreme Court the right to make law without reference to any text in the constitution. Casey tried to change the justification but it still was a disaster. Sadly it is far from the only time the Supreme Court has made things up out of whole cloth that has had massive societal…

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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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For those who say this is the logically correct decision, how exactly did you conclude that? - USA Constitution 14th Amendment Section 1 ...no State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal pro…

I'm not taking a stance for or against your argument. I'm simply point out a logical gap that doesn't make this as simple as your suggesting. The root of the issue is not the rights provided by the 14th amendment, but when, exactly, those rights apply during the process of conception, gestation, and birth. This is further complicated by the fact that scientific advances enable situations that our founders could have…

This doesn't affect the reasoning. American women are indisputably citizens and people, whereas fetuses are not.

The existence of this grey area doesn't preclude obvious constitutional rights.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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I'm tired of having the minority religious and bigoted views dominate politics and starve us of progress. Regardless of what the "right" ruling is on the law, or the roles of the different branches of government, the practical impact of this ruling is millions of Americans denied the right to healthcare while simultaneously being denied free access to any democratic process to secure it.

>> I'm tired of having the minority religious and bigoted views dominate politics and starve us of progress. Is it minority views? Surely, when it comes down to states legislating this, people can make their opinion heard at the ballet box. And if a majority of people in a state vote conservative and abortion is restricted then we are legislating based on the wants of the majority. It will be interesting to see if th…

> Is it minority views? Surely, when it comes down to states legislating this, people can make their opinion heard at the ballet box

How about instead of deferring this to states rights, we defer directly to individual rights and let individual people decide what to do? You know.. like in some sort of 'free' country.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

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> Today 92% of Republicans are to the right of the median Democrat, and 94% of Democrats are to the left of the median Republican

> The rise of ideological uniformity has been much more pronounced among those who are the most politically active. Today, almost four-in-ten (38%) politically engaged Democrats are consistent liberals, up from just 8% in 1994. The change among Republicans since then appears less dramatic – 33% express consistently conservative views, up from 23% in the midst of the 1994 “Republican Revolution.” But a decade ago, just 10% of politically engaged Republicans had across-the-board conservative attitudes.

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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

Their decision may be right through the lens of the initial ruling some 50 years ago, and perhaps through the acknowledgement of this being a divisive issue. However, it is at best hypocrisy of the court itself, and at worst, a devastating blow to one of the worlds worst healthcare systems.

This ruling in particular has be viewed through a wider scope, and not just the narrow lens of "people are divisive".

Their recent ruling interfering with New York states own policy on concealed carries best represents the courts hypocrisy - if a state makes a ruling and has a certain level of autonomy and power to do so, why is the SC overruling them here when its nearly just as divisive as abortion?

Additionally - the ruling is made within a very narrow scope, against common scientific and healthcare advice. It's also likely the ruling was made with strong bias and in bad favor as many of the justices themselves are not duly qualified to sit on the bench which they sit, and the ruling subsequently falls in line with a serious of previously strongly conservative rulings that defy prior precedent and the SC's own interpretation of autonomy, law, and previous rulings.

There is really no way to justify their ruling.

Polarization is a bit of mysterious character because we see a very strong, radical right wing forcing changes down to the county level in terms of gerrymandering, up to the level of presidential cabinet where federal crimes were committed without any consequence.

We don't hear of Democrats who, after losing a race complain of fraud and refuse to accept the results. That's a very Republican thing to do.

So, polarization is mysterious because there is a fast growing anti-intellectual, religious radicalism spirit and a fairly unchanged "populist" left wing. I.e. the left is mostly unchanged from 20 years ago, whereas the right has gone through a sharp and dramatic change in the same period.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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For those who say this is the logically correct decision, how exactly did you conclude that? - USA Constitution 14th Amendment Section 1 ...no State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal pro…

If you believe that life begins at conception you could say that abortion deprives that "unborn person" of their right to life, as long as carrying the fetus to term would not put the life of the mother at risk.

If you believe a fetus is a person, then you are simply incorrect.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Leaving this here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770 as someone who lived through that.

Also check out this film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Months,_3_Weeks_and_2_Days about the reality on the ground.

Congratulations, America! Lots of states will now offer the same reproductive rights as communist Romania during the Cold War. So much freedom!

Also, some US states will now have a stricter abortion law than even some fundamentalist islamic countries. What a great day for American liberty.

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