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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by ausbah » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

saying "SCOTUS didn't ban abortion" is at best useless semantic formality and at worst plain incorrect

a number of state have laws that the automatically make abortion illegal as soon as Roe was overturned, those are now enacted. furthermore, the case behind this ruling was dealing with a state law the effectively outlawed abortions, despite previous precedent ruling against it. this rule is simply enabling such behavior indirectly. this allows gives the green light for abortion to be targeted at the federal level, something which Republicans will be happy to do ASAP

to ignore the context of the surrounding case, and political motivations / backgrounds of the ruling justices is just ignorant. something like half of all states have now effectively illegal abortion

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by colinmhayes » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #337

The Supreme Court neither banned abortion nor prohibited the legislature from protecting the right to abortion. It merely decided that it is not currently protected by constitution, which to me seems completely correct. If most people agree that it should be a constitutional right, no one stops the legislature from adding the required amendment. And if most people can't agree on that, well, adding that wouldn't be de…

> If most people agree that it should be a constitutional right, no one stops the legislature from adding the required amendment

The issue is that we're forced into a two party system. If someone thinks "I want abortion rights, but the culture wars are more important to me" they vote republican. A large block of the republican base is single issue religious voters, so even if a majority of the republican voters want abortion rights they will never pass because the religious voters will primary anyone who supports abortion.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by andrew_ » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

MrDresden wrote: post #427

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #337

The Supreme Court neither banned abortion nor prohibited the legislature from protecting the right to abortion. It merely decided that it is not currently protected by constitution, which to me seems completely correct. If most people agree that it should be a constitutional right, no one stops the legislature from adding the required amendment. And if most people can't agree on that, well, adding that wouldn't be de…

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> via this all precious constitution of yours?

This reveals that you didn't ask in good faith.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by causi » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #337

The Supreme Court neither banned abortion nor prohibited the legislature from protecting the right to abortion. It merely decided that it is not currently protected by constitution, which to me seems completely correct. If most people agree that it should be a constitutional right, no one stops the legislature from adding the required amendment. And if most people can't agree on that, well, adding that wouldn't be de…

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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by rafale » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

causi wrote: post #416

screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

This fight is not going to be over until the legislature formally defines what is and is not a person. I doubt that's going to happen because nobody wants to have that discussion.

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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by r0s » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by noslenwerdna » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

nus07 wrote: post #391

I fail to see what moderates can do in a two party system where gerrymandering is so heavily done that often Democrats have to win 3-1 to control any majority. At this point I see it as a fight between rich landowners+business owners+religion vs all the rest of the people . For a country where political lobbying and donations to effect legal decisions is common , I do not expect judgements to ever be fair. The battle…

Where is gerrymandering so bad that Democrats have to win 3-1? This doesn't represent the experience of the median voter.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by ls-lah_33 » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 4:23 PM UTC

typeofhuman wrote: post #72

lawn wrote: post #52

There's this belief that society always moves in a "forward/upward" directory, where we become more advanced, more enlightened and more moral. But this is not the case and sometimes we regress.

A contrarian argument would say that protecting life - especially young life - is a more enlightened and moral direction.

It's worth considering that IVF fertility treatment often has discarded zygotes.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by vkou » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 4:23 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

This ruling will also let us democratically figure out whether sodomites should be jailed, whether interracial marriage should be banned, and whether contraception is legal. All of the prior court rulings on these topics stem from the principles that were overturned in this one.

And then, two years later, after we democratically figure those questions out, we can flip-flop on them, because we voted in a new legislature.

Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by throwaway5752 » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 4:23 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

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