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Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Another decision in a long stream that will make it much harder for EU start-ups companies to catch up to American ones. With absolutely no improvements to actual EU citizen well being.

take data of your USA customers and sell it to the highest bidder without their consent or even knowledge as you please. don't complain that I have the right to know you do that and disagree to you doing that.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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So let’s take the lottery systems. Most states including mine has been using the same back end for the lottery since 1991. Who is going to write the replacement? Who is going to audit it? How much is it going to cost to replace literally thousand of lottery terminals? And what benefit would it be? I can’t think of the name of the company now. But there is one company that manage the school lunch programs. Who is goin…

So put systems like that at the end of the list? And they'll require renegotiation or hardware upgrades at some point, so use that as leverage to say no government entities will buy any more unless they meet certain rules about open sourcing and data storage. But really, if a handful of things like that were the only examples that would be wonderful.

So what goes at the beginning of their list and who is going to develop and maintain the equivalent open source software?

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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post #91

Another decision in a long stream that will make it much harder for EU start-ups companies to catch up to American ones. With absolutely no improvements to actual EU citizen well being.

Setting up something like Matomo instead of GA doesn't looks to me like a huge penalizing factor for a startup.

If anything, EU startups could benefit from better control over the tools they use. One interesting halo effect of Google seeing that much data is also that US startup from ex-googlers get a head start on many insights.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Gdpr uses a more expansive definition of personal data, and it includes the IP address and geolocation data, for example.

And to be clear Google Analytics has a setting to "anonymize" the IP address which deletes the last octet of the address and makes geolocation less accurate. Then there's an argument that the IP address still reaches Google servers before it's deleted. But that's just splitting hairs at this point. If Google doesn't process the data with IP the IP address I see no harm. IP addresses are not something that you can cho…

The press release mentions that partial truncation is not considered good enough as google has enough ancillary metadata to reverse it.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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post #411
post #91

Another decision in a long stream that will make it much harder for EU start-ups companies to catch up to American ones. With absolutely no improvements to actual EU citizen well being.

take data of your USA customers and sell it to the highest bidder without their consent or even knowledge as you please. don't complain that I have the right to know you do that and disagree to you doing that.

Google doesn't really sell user data.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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post #91

Another decision in a long stream that will make it much harder for EU start-ups companies to catch up to American ones. With absolutely no improvements to actual EU citizen well being.

That decision is on the US, once the cloud act will be removed, those services will be legal again

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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post #91

Another decision in a long stream that will make it much harder for EU start-ups companies to catch up to American ones. With absolutely no improvements to actual EU citizen well being.

Maybe a race where the finish line is maximum exploitation of the digital population isn't a race worth running.

here I thought maximum exploitation would be selling someones identity on the dark web but I come to find on HN that it's actually hashed analytics data D: !!!

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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I’m supporting of privacy, but it’s amazing how heavy-handed European regulation can be, and how difficult it can make understanding even basic metrics about our business and how those metrics have shifted over time. I suppose their intentions are good though.

All of that is because of the cloud act, non american companies won't have as much issues. The obvious solution is to remove this spying law breaching EU laws and common sense.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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post #91

Another decision in a long stream that will make it much harder for EU start-ups companies to catch up to American ones. With absolutely no improvements to actual EU citizen well being.

The EU hasn’t shaken off their roots in monarchy. Using the power of the state to go after a single private entity since they have a blood feud with said entity and are now finding all sorts of excuses to hit them economically.

I’ve been following the cases with regard to privacy in the EU and it’s a complete joke. You have all these onerous rules against any web technology making it near impossible for startups to function without an army of lawyers. Think I’m exaggerating? Look up the provisions under GDPR for any business, big or small, to set up a website and then process a single user request for their data even without sign in.

The UK is sick and tired of this and has recently begun moving to ignore these onerous rules. All power to them.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Maybe a race where the finish line is maximum exploitation of the digital population isn't a race worth running.

here I thought maximum exploitation would be selling someones identity on the dark web but I come to find on HN that it's actually hashed analytics data D: !!!

I wish the internet was purely an informational no bullshit interface/store instead of all this crap. I welcome these changes. Convert it back into a piece of furniture. Oh no we can't make a billion dollars for no reason.
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