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Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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I've slowly started ripping Google Analytics out of my Rails projects and replacing it with https://github.com/ankane/ahoy.

It's so much better! I can just use SQL to see what's going in and not get overwhelmed with 100's of visualizations and complicated dashboards.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Are you going to also train staff to use the new open source software? Where is the open source SalesForce equivalent? Workday? Concur? Device management? Email service? ServiceNow? Time tracking? Photoshop? Are you going to also force every employee to use Linux instead of Mac and Windows? Are you going to tell them to rewrite all of their software and business processes written on top of Oracle and SQL Server? Shou…

How long have they been using each one of those products on average? How about migrating off at the same speed?

So let’s take the lottery systems. Most states including mine has been using the same back end for the lottery since 1991. Who is going to write the replacement? Who is going to audit it? How much is it going to cost to replace literally thousand of lottery terminals? And what benefit would it be?

I can’t think of the name of the company now. But there is one company that manage the school lunch programs. Who is going to write the software and you have to replace all of the hardware throughout the state.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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Pragmatically, to what extent do you believe the European laws have protected Europeans above and beyond how American laws have protected Americans? Basically, what class of badness are Americans subjected to due to behind-the-times data protection laws, that Europeans are protected from?

It's possible for a company, which is seemingly providing you a service since you visited the site, to make money off a targeted ad in exchange for free video streaming/content/entertainment. The whole thing has always seemed overblown to me. Websites make much more money off targeted ads, allowing them to do things like allow anyone to upload a video of any length and quality for free. And view other videos people u…

> Privacy privacy privacy though, as if someone at Google is manually looking through your history laughing at you.

Part of the problem is that it seems more or less impossible to get large companies to keep their data secure. In fact Google stands out as maybe the only big tech company that has not been involved in a major breach.

Notwithstanding the legal and political issues that arise when (not if, but when) this data gets into the hands of law enforcement agencies.

And yes, there have been individual instances of employees misusing sensitive user data.

Privacy is security.

Generally I agree that content providers should be allowed to make money somehow, but this way has proven to be untenable and something needs to change.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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"Using Libre Office rather than Office 365 is unlikely to be the limiting factor in how fast anything in a government office is going to run." Depends. When odf would be the standard maybe, but it isn't. Standard is microsoft office, and libre office is not 100% compatible. But you will still have to deal with lots of microsoft documents, from all the other agencies, ordinary people, companies, .. Meaning, when Munic…

> Standard is microsoft office Then change it. By law if need be, and have all government departments go over to Libre Office at the same time.

They tried that, but the question is how do you write the law? In the end they settled on requiring that govt. departments use ISO standards to store docs (which at the time was only ODF).

Microsoft then tried to get their format ratified as an ISO standard. But everyone complained that their spec did not actually specify how to implement, instead it said things like "In accordance with output from Word 2007". So after a bit of back and forth MS realized that they did not want to _actually_ document what they were doing. The solution? Pack the committee with MS shills to vote yes on every proposal by MS. Urgh.

One of the negative flow on effects was that these new committee members only cared about voting for things that MS had instructed them to vote on - so other standards and issues stalled due to a lack of a quorum. It was super disappointing looking at this from the sidelines at the time.

Here is a link that explains a small part of the history: https://www.infoworld.com/article/2618153/how-microsoft-was-...

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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So reading the English text it is not clear what exactly is the unlawful part. Is the fact that data is flowing to US based servers (which I assume is trivially managed by changing GA server location to Europe) or the fact it is flowing to an American Headquartered company, regardless of where the data is flowing to? Can someone comment if the Italian language text is clearer? Or ehat is in the judgement?

There’s a bunch of steps, but jumping to the extreme, a foreign gov having access to the data is the awful part.

Data flowing to the US violates that, assuming Google US cannot refuse US gov requests, the headquarter having access to the data is also not accepted.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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If a modern democracy requires an ever-growing government I think I will stick to Democracy Stable.

Here in NH we have a group of people trying to compile their own. I never thought of them as distro hipsters, but it tracks.

My impression of these people is that they generally use very out-of-date versions, and they misunderstand/misuse configuration settings to the point that their builds are illogical for anyone's needs, despite their surface-level appeal upon skimming the manual & ancient mailing list messages. So the government performs efficiently for some very specific workloads, but generally lacks necessary features to run society at web scale.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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> To website visitors: if you see a cookie banner, the site is asking permission to spy on you. If that concerns you, close the tab. I'd love to see how often people do anything besides click okay anyway (I'd be very surprised if it wasn't 99%+).

Unless there is a very simple "reject" button, I click okay. Between Firefox's native protections, DNS-level blocking and uBlock, I have a lot more confidence in my own protections than I do in their honesty, and it's not worth it to me to uncheck a bunch of boxes.

Sometimes it's easier on mobile to just accept all the garbage cookies and then clear my cookies & site data after I'm done with the page.

But they are probably fingerprinting my phone anyway through other means.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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The economy is pretty bad in the USA too if you aren't a white collar tech worker (or in a handful of other white collar fields). Maybe not as bad, but it's pretty rough for a lot of people, possibly a majority, and it's definitely unsustainable.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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> would require home built solutions which would always be terrible, less secure, I disagree. It would be relatively straightforward to build such systems on Linux and open source. > and more expensive to the tax payer As a proportion of Italy's GDP, the cost would be negligible, especially given that this is a matter of national security, something governments tend to be keen to spend money on.

> As a proportion of Italy's GDP, the cost would be negligible After how many failed rewrites that never deliver a working product?

The assumption here seems to be that the government would be writing the software, but it would go out to market. This would be a fantastic opportunity for a local software company to put out something in the space. I'm foreseeing more of this kind of thing as data sovereignty becomes a more considered issue by governments.

The other undertone I'm getting from this thread is that people think America has a monopoly on building software, and that's simply not the case. It's not hard to find companies doing really good work outside of the US. There is also nothing special about Office 365, it doesn't have a technology moat, it just has a surmountable interoperability moat and a social moat.

Re: Italian watchdog bans use of Google Analytics

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They're perfectly legal if they don't process any PII. If a US company serves static content there's no need to fear the EU; they'll just have to disable illegal external integrations like Google Analytics/Fonts/etc. A company doing business with other companies might find themselves in a position where they can comply perfectly. Not every company needs to collect PII, though these days every company likes to pretend…

When PII includes IP addresses it's kind of hard not to process. How else are you supposed to group metrics over a session (since cookies are also forbidden)? This seems to ban third-party analytics by any US company. The cynic in me feels this is a little convenient in how it advantages EU organizations over foreign ones...

Do you have a source on PII including IP addresses?
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