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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by semitones »

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I think you are absolutely correct. This is my experience and viewpoint as well.

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Post by surement »

honkycat wrote: post #174
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

> As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "normal". And you just won't get as much out of your life as you could get, won't achieve as much relationship success, professional success, or personal fulfillment. You can form a bad relationship with literally anything. Social media, television, video games. The smartest and most passionate developer I have ever known smoked weed literally every day. There are…

> I have a very busy mind and I need something to slow my brain down

I'm taking this a bit out of context but this is the biggest benefit for me.

While sativa can make my mind rush with ideas, it also helps slow things down, especially if I'm learning something. It gives me the patience to do things at the right pace rather than try to rush to get results. This holds for things as varied as learning kubernetes (e.g. going back and forth between documents to make sure everything makes sense rather than only going forward even where there are bits that I don't fully grasp) or making sure I have the proper form during weight lifting (e.g. using lower weights when I notice a discomfort somewhere – I'm much more sensitive to these things while stoned – instead of powering through a too-high load and injuring myself, thus setting my progress back).

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by ipaddr »

oceanplexian wrote: post #350
LazyMans wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many years ago I was sitting at my computer smoking after work like I normally did, and I asked myself, "What would I be doing if I wasn't smoking right now" and I couldn't answer it. I tapered off pretty easily and began to fill my time with other hobbies. I was never the type of smoker which was "active". I would smoke socially and began to hate that I could never remember people's names or conversations. It made m…

I am in the same boat… there is a serious lack of education. It’s like the pendulum has swung completely the other way from drug abstinence, and now there is tons of disinfo claiming weed is harmless and non-addictive when that’s not the true story. I’m still in favor of legalization, but cannabis needs some of the regulations we apply to tobacco. Producers shouldn’t be able to make packaging that looks like a bag of…

Because children will think smoking weed is like eating a candy bar?

I don't know of any place that allows selling to minors or even allowing them in the store. What good is changing wrappers when kids don't shop in those places?

Cannabis has stronger laws compared to tobacco already. Plenty of medical and church related pamphlets exist. What do you think is missing?

The truth is you grew up and turned into your parents.. it happens to many who have kids.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by UncleMeat »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #130
UncleMeat wrote: post #109

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All people want is for weed to be legal. These arguments about wasted lives are used to justify keeping it illegal.

Users of weed do more to keep it illegal by their off-putting rhetoric than any Refer Madness propaganda does. I've been in favor of legalization for decades but really dislike discussing it with users because of their often lack of self-awareness and tendency to be just as dishonest as those against it.

"Pot smokers are aggravating" is, frankly, a very stupid reason for anybody to support criminalization.

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Post by com2kid »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #317
com2kid wrote: post #233

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> Does caffeine have negative side effects, Caffeine has negative side effects. It is an addictive psychoactive drug. Its effects are mild, but, to repeat, it is an addictive psychoactive drug. Even moderate use can cause sever anxiety in some people. L-theanine is a great counter to this. Green tea naturally has L-theanine in it and that is likely why people who drink green tea do not report anxiety (at least in sig…

Note: L-theanine binds to glutamate receptors and that can mess with psychotropic medications like mood stabilizers and anti-psychotics. From personal experience, it caused my medications to stop working.

> Note: L-theanine binds to glutamate receptors and that can mess with psychotropic medications like mood stabilizers and anti-psychotics.

Now that I did not know. Given that l-theanine is a natural constituent of green tea (though I don't know offhand in what amount) I figure there would be more mention of this! A casual search doesn't reveal much, and even examine.com (https://examine.com/supplements/theanine/research/#pharmacol...) doesn't have anything listed. Ugh.

Then again almost no one mentions that 5-HTP can cause horrible things to happen to your heart. :/

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Post by monktastic1 »

daveslash wrote: post #192
mesofile wrote: post #119

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I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

Yeah. I used the same schpeel (or something similar), with my kid when we found out she was smoking at 15. You know ~ it's not heroine or cocaine, but it can make you content to just do nothing, when you'd be happier doing something . Sometimes "do nothing" is exactly what we need in this crazy, hectic, busy world. Sometimes it's good to be bored. But keep it in check. Also, I have no problem with adults partaking, b…

FYI, spiel :)

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by ipaddr »

_j5l3 wrote: post #296
LazyMans wrote: post #268

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If one more person tries to tell me it's strain... Both, any mixture, any strain. Edibles, vaping, smoking, all of it. Some of the more pleasant times are when I mix up ABV (already vaped weed) into edibles. Those I can get weak enough and with only the more stony compounds remaining where it can be pleasant, but it still turns me into a drooling idiot with absolutely horrific munchies.

> If one more person tries to tell me it's strain It's like telling an alcoholic to try switching from vodka to tequila, because vodka makes you angry and depressed but tequila makes you a fun drunk. THC is THC, and any difference is psychosomatic.

Drinking beer vs vodka is a big jump. Fruity drinks with vodka can leave you trashed because of the high.

If you think all weed produces the same effects then you first need to understand it's not all about thc.

First lesson Terpes: https://www.amazon.ca/Primary-Terpenes-Cannabis-Marijuana-In...

Next lessons: thc vs thca vs cbd

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Post by slg »

jerf wrote: post #292
slg wrote: post #90

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You are debating a different aspect of video games. The complaint against loot boxes is not that they prevent video game players from reaching their true productive potential. They don't do that. The problem with loot boxes is that they are exploitative.

I'm not "debating" anything. I'm pointing out that people have been complaining about video games for a while, and that the loot boxes in particular have amped that debate up. But they did not create it. Video games have been accused of rotting brains (the favored rhetorical formulation of this accusation for whatever reason) for my entire life. I'm pointing to the existing debates as evidence of this.

"Weed is bad" is not what I am arguing against and therefore a generic "video games are bad" complaint is not equivalent. The question is whether we should care that weed makes you a less productive member of society. Loot boxes have no impact on a gamers level of production so it is an irrelevant argument.

Also isn't the "video games rotting people's brain" complaint always laughed at in circles like HN? Is that really the parallel you want to make? Plus people generally only say that in relation to kids. I'm not advocating for kids (or anyone) to use pot. I am saying the personal productivity angle is a weak line of argument and is usually masking some other objection to pot since the same argument is not used in other discussions in which it is equally applicable.

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Post by monktastic1 »

s5300 wrote: post #348
worker_person wrote: post #336

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Watching your child being content to work at Taco Bell for the next 50 years is not something to be proud of. Regardless of contentment.

Why? Billions across the world would be incredibly happy with their kids getting to do something like this. If you aren’t happy with a content child, sounds like you had children for all of the wrong reasons & would be a horrible, potentially abusive parent.

I understand the underlying sentiment, but this is an awfully aggressive way to get your point across. The irony is that we tend to be aggressive when we're triggered due to unresolved traumas in ourselves -- which we then pass on to our own kids.

I'm not here to psychoanalyze you, but food for thought.

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Post by genocidicbunny »

corrral wrote: post #7
PaulHoule wrote: post #2

I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

Sweet Christ. 150mg? Goddamn, I hope my tolerance never gets that bad. That'd be so expensive. 1/10 that at once is enough to get me fucked up enough that, if I had taken more, I'd just be asleep.

Back before CA legalized marijuana, thus putting in the limits on edibles, you could get some super-strong ones if you had a medical card. I recall a friend of mine buying 1500mg edibles that would put down most experienced smokers for two or three days. Said friend was going through one of those edibles per day, but those edibles also cost less than a 100mg edible does these days.
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