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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by massysett »

anonym29 wrote: post #154
UncleMeat wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All people want is for weed to be legal. These arguments about wasted lives are used to justify keeping it illegal.

I'm 100% pro-legalisation, not because I believe cannabis is harmless (I got psychologically hooked the exact way lacker describes), but because: 1. Putting people in prison for using it causes more harm than the actual usage of it does. 2. The threat of state force being used to strip people of their freedoms is not an effective deterrent. The war on drugs is an objective failure. 3. The war on drugs was nonsensical…

There are gradations between putting people in prison and full legalization. Speeding in a school zone is illegal but it generally won’t land me in prison. I don’t favor imprisoning drug users but that doesn’t mean we need a free-for-all with weed stores.

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Post by ubercore »

teakettle42 wrote: post #143
jayd16 wrote: post #108

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For days ? Neither does weed.

Yes, it does. Weed has non-acute negative effects on cognition for 7 hours to 3 weeks after use, dropping off most significantly after 72 hours of abstinence. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst...

You're really making that study do a lot of work it wasn't intended to. Their main conclusion is that the effect size on cognitive function was very small, and basically disappears after 72 hours.

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Post by Mo3 »

nick__m wrote: post #165
Mo3 wrote: post #15

I live in the Netherlands where there is a "coffeeshop" culture, with some of these coffeeshops having a connaisseur-like focus - as in, they sometimes even offer extremely exotic strains that you've never heard about and aren't even on Leafly etc yet, sourced from god knows where 10000 miles away, and then carefully and passionately grown and cured - and I can 100% guarantee you that people are not necessarily getti…

Your last paragraph is semiwrong. You can absolutely get sick with unadulterated cannabis but it's not dangerous just really unpleasant. I speak from experience because I developed the cannabis hyperemesis syndrome. It happened when I switched to dry herb vaporization and the smoothness of the vapor made me unconsciously and insidiously increase the amount of cannabis I consumed per puff until I reach the ridiculous…

I stand corrected.. so we’re back at personal responsibility again.

Last I read this was a very rare phenomenon happening mostly in chronic users of concentrates. I still fail to see how that is valid reasoning for anything else in this article..

Just read your comment again, but substitute cannabis with alcohol. You would be dead by now with these dosages, and if you go a step further the article would be correlating end stage liver disease with teens drinking a beer.

I thought it was common sense that too much of anything is a bad idea. A rare phenomenon that mostly happens to the utter top quantile of chronic heavy users is absolutely invalid to use in that kind of generalization.

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Post by slg »

retrac wrote: post #115
slg wrote: post #101

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I wasn't trying to refute the idea. The idea is true. The question is whether we should worry about it. Using weed is a recreation activity. Most recreation activities will have a negative impact on your life if they are not done in moderation. I don't think that is necessarily a problem and the fact that this generally isn't discussed in other contexts might indicate that people are subconsciously using this an excu…

I can't speak for other people, but for me, it's not recreational. Not anymore. I need cannabis to simply feel normal. I feel high only when I'm sober, because sobriety is the atypical state. I can't sleep without it. I can't leave the house in the morning without it. After about 24 hours abstinence, I get debilitating headaches and start to vomit, presumably from the withdrawal. It's not fun. There's not much fun le…

I don't know what your usage is like, but that is an outlier response that most likely originates from non-moderate use. Video game addiction is also something that causes severe negative impacts. The existence of these outlier responses does not mean either video games or weed are dangerous in moderation.

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Post by asdff »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #120
redisman wrote: post #71

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I’m sorry but why don’t you just put less weed in if it’s too strong?

You'd think that would work, but it doesn't and I don't know why. Maybe because you still get the same % in the hit but it just doesn't last as long? For people that use vaporizers like mine, you also need to have a certain amount for the vaporizer to be effective otherwise you get nothing out of it which leads to inserting even more weed and suddenly you have more in your system than you meant to. The higher percent…

You can actually throw a wad of sterile cotton into your vape to fill the chamber. Pax even sells a half pack lid for their packs.

For your case you can also cut your high dose stuff with a cbd only strain right in your grinder to whatever ratio you want. The ground up weed would be no different at all from a low dose strain and certainly a lot more accessible.

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #117
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

Counter point: I am 37 years old. I quit marijuana three or four months ago, but before that I was vaping marijuana nearly every day for four years. During that time I’ve achieved more success in my career than any other time. I think it was good for me to quit. I feel more alert and more productive now. More level and less tired. Maybe I would have been more successful without it, so perhaps you are right. But then,…

Counter point taken.

Follow-on question: have you had similar success in your relationships and personal life in the last 4 years?

I was a great student stoned, and a decent heads-down coworker. I became a detached boyfriend and family member and even more detached friend. I made my world smaller, so I could "focus" on work. My time on creative/non-passive hobbies fell to zero. I didn't lose friends but I didn't keep up with them.

I genuinely hope your experience has not been so asymmetrical.

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Post by tacheiordache »

I smoke casually just a tiny bit. I liken it to taking a shot. That's enough to get a slight boost of creativity. I hate getting drunk or high but just toking works wonders for me. Been doing this for 20 years and it hasn't impacted my life negatively at all. I actually stopped drinking altogether because of some eczema but I'll never stop indulging in pot this lifetime. I use a $20 bag for about a couple of months

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Post by dfxm12 »

com2kid wrote: post #178
aparticulate wrote: post #140

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cocaine is not weed though most people cannot do cocaine every day without trouble. Coffee? every day is fine different drugs have different danger

> Coffee? every day is fine /r/nootropics, common thread is as follows: OP: "Help, I have bad anxiety every day, what should I take for it?" re: "Do you drink coffee?" OP: "Yes, about 4 cups a day." re: "Stop drinking coffee and come back in a week and tell us how you are doing." 1 week later. OP: "My anxiety is gone!!" Caffeine has negative side effects. For some people those side effects are really bad. Also caffei…

Does caffeine have negative side effects, or does caffeine, taken in excess, including in late hours of the day, have negative side effects?

It's an important distinction to make in this discussion, which largely boils down to "off label use", whether we're talking about drinking simply too much coffee or people with developing brains getting too much thc.

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Post by Honest_Carrot »

akpa1 wrote: post #194
neonate wrote: post #52

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Post by matwood »

teakettle42 wrote: post #105
slg wrote: post #69

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Why is this topic always brought up regarding weed, but nothing else? Should we make video games illegal because they can cause some people to live a lethargic and less productive life?

Video games don’t make you lethargic, less productive, and significantly less intelligent for days after playing them.

I disagree. I was fully addicted to Dark Age of Camelot (DAoC) back in the day. A perfect set of circumstances led to me have bit of time to start playing, and it quickly turned into 8+ hours/day. Anytime I wasn't playing, I was thinking or reading about playing. It ruined some important relationships, and definitely stunted my career (I stayed at an easy job far too long), and impacted me physically (stopped working out, ate like crap, etc...).
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