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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by notamy » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:51 PM UTC

corrral wrote: post #7

PaulHoule wrote: post #2

I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

Sweet Christ. 150mg? Goddamn, I hope my tolerance never gets that bad. That'd be so expensive. 1/10 that at once is enough to get me fucked up enough that, if I had taken more, I'd just be asleep.

> Sweet Christ. 150mg? Goddamn, I hope my tolerance never gets that bad.

It's a nightmare. I'm a medical cannabis patient, so unfortunately, proper symptom management means my usage ends up being quite high. My tolerance got so high that I barely felt anything from 350mg+ in edibles or RSO[0]. Taking a tolerance break from that is an awful experience; my psychiatrist actually had to prescribe benzos (Klonopin) to make it doable.

[0] https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/what-is-rick-simpso...

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by aaaaaaaaata » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:51 PM UTC

sandoze wrote: post #67

tboyd47 wrote: post #62

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The scale of human potential is vast. Who's to say that, for a given definition of success, a person who's "very successful" with one lifestyle wouldn't be 10x or 100x more successful in another?

Who’s to say what my full potential could have been if it wasn’t for all the lead paint in my house as a kid?

..did you eat it?

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by teakettle42 » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:53 PM UTC

jayd16 wrote: post #108

teakettle42 wrote: post #105

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Video games don’t make you lethargic, less productive, and significantly less intelligent for days after playing them.

For days ? Neither does weed.

Yes, it does.

Weed has non-acute negative effects on cognition for 7 hours to 3 weeks after use, dropping off most significantly after 72 hours of abstinence.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst...

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by dividefuel » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:55 PM UTC

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

Cannabis is the only drug where I struggle to find a healthy balance.

Other ubiquitous drugs like caffeine or alcohol are easier for me to balance because their drawbacks (dependence, hangovers, weight gain) are more obvious.

But cannabis doesn't have those to nearly the same extent, so it's easy to rationalize frequent use: on an average night without anything planned, it always sounds enjoyable without any downsides. But then frequent use eventually adds up and starts to cause small issues, like being a little lazier and having a slightly worse memory.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by GordonS » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:55 PM UTC

kelseyfrog wrote: post #54

GordonS wrote: post #44

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Well, yes but most people drink a lesser amount of spirits than they would beer. I for one have never poured myself a pint of vodka, for example!

And some people don't. The story of me meeting my wife involves her roommate pouring a pint from the bottle of gin I brought as a gift - straight up to the brim.

Sure, you kind examples to the contrary for just about anything. There are absolutely people who do things that are bad for their health, or even downright dangerous.

But this behaviour is an outlier - even these people (typically young 'uns, often at college/uni) don't do this kind of thing on a daily basis.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by aaaaaaaaata » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:55 PM UTC

unethical_ban wrote: post #107

_fat_santa wrote: post #18

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I live in Colorado and they limit edibles to 10mg per piece/100mg per pack max. 150mg for a single gummy is a bit nuts though. As someone who smokes a good amount of weed, my recommendation to people it to always stick to just flower. I've tried it all, vaping, vaporizers (different than vaping, you're superheating flower rather than using an extract), edibles, and regular pot. From my personal experience, edibles la…

I don't know how people could regularly consume edibles that strong. Absolutely ridiculous. Edibles in low doses are great, but flower seems to be the most natural and safe way to consume it in a predictably moderate dose (vs. a huge dose from edibles, or wax, etc.) As an aside, I tried vapes again recently and they did almost nothing for me. Compared to a year ago when I tried one and got put on my ass quickly.

Easy — amateurs are burning out many of the lower temperature compounds during their extraction or cooking procedure.

Your 10mg is not the same as my 10mg.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by Mo3 » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:55 PM UTC

mettamage wrote: post #135

Mo3 wrote: post #51

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Goededag, > sourced from god knows where > Well, that's the illegal part, isn't it? ;-) Ahh, I was referring to certain coffeeshops that carry rare strains that have been sourced from very remote places. But you're absolutely right as well of course. Not a fan of this setup either. My home country, Germany, is apparently planning on fully legalising cannabis - if you thought Dutch politicians are out of touch with re…

Holy hell, I'm sad to hear that :( I've seen it with Swedish people as well, when I was in Stockholm. Whenever I smoke I feel as safe as drinking alcohol: i.e. nothing to fear from law enforcement if you don't go overboard with it. I smoke once every 2 months or so, on average, 1 to 4 puffs, always in social settings. I'm 30+ years of age. My family has a history of drug addiction (all of them). What I've learned is…

All good man, whenever I get these feelings now I just continue taking puffs and all is good.

My only police encounter was something to remember, too. I was sitting in the park at night (because I mostly work at night), smoking a doobie and settling in to go to bed soon, when suddenly a Politie car came shooting up the bicycle path straight towards me. You can probably imagine I almost shit my pants.

They asked super nicely if I need any help because they got worried about me sitting there alone at night and wanted to check on my well-being.

No weed that night helped come to terms with the mindfuck.

> So I'm not without my flaws, but the way society criminalizes drugs is beyond me. This is especially after having tried all the big names and realizing it's always a combination of: having a shitty life + having a social circle that heavily enables it + thinking you'll be fine and won't get addicted (I'm well aware of how all of them lull me into a false sense of security) + starting it at a very young age (all family members started around 14 years old with at least alcohol, less information means less protection).

EXACTLY this. If you ask me, the drug epidemic in the US is a perfect example, and when Americans argue about prohibition and regulation they almost always do it with a completely unconscious bias and not seeing the true reasons.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by aparticulate » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:56 PM UTC

collegeburner wrote: post #102

slg wrote: post #69

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Why is this topic always brought up regarding weed, but nothing else? Should we make video games illegal because they can cause some people to live a lethargic and less productive life?

Parents have been complaining for literally decades that videogames make kids lazy or that "tv rots your brain". And I have seen videogame overuse fuck up people's academics and careers. Weed bros get real touchy when anybody suggests something bad about it. Inb4 "alcohol is worse". I'm still for legalization but people need to stop getting so defensive.

Touchiness is a hangover from the unjust war on drugs. Also, why alcohol is worse is so frequently cited. It will probably go away as stigma rapidly fades

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by vladsanchez » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:56 PM UTC

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

Same message I told my kids! The danger is that you'll like it and you'll end up in a life of misery.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by RichardCA » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:56 PM UTC

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

The difficulty is how do you separate that issue from the other connected issue: Lots of people use weed to self-medicate for anxiety. How much anxiety is needed to create a sense of motivation and "stakes" in the day-to-day operation of your life?

Anecdotally, I've known people who were prescribed pharmaceutical anti-anxiety meds and done far worse with that feeling of weightlessness and removal of stakes, like you're just wandering around in the Matrix until something bad happens like a car accident. I mean yes that happens on weed (again, anecdotally) but we have no controlled studies about it, and it absolutely should be studied.

So yes, valid point, but it's the tip of a much deeper iceberg.