New South Wales Government to ban use and posession of encrypted devices • Hacker News Board

Re: New South Wales Government to ban use and posession of encrypted devices

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Post by rfd4sgmk8u » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 3:04 AM UTC

Its mean 'crypto phones', or custom firmware mobile phones with their own voice, chat and messaging system. The most recent busted operation, Anom, was actually run by Law Enforcement who backdoored the devices and recorded all the calls and messages. A very successful operation.

I am assuming there are several actual real not-run-by-the-police systems that they are referring to, I can see the NSW government introducing some really silly legislation that turns out to accidentally criminalize ios and android. Oops.

Re: New South Wales Government to ban use and posession of encrypted devices

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Post by runagate » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 3:10 AM UTC

rfd4sgmk8u wrote: post #11

Its mean 'crypto phones', or custom firmware mobile phones with their own voice, chat and messaging system. The most recent busted operation, Anom, was actually run by Law Enforcement who backdoored the devices and recorded all the calls and messages. A very successful operation. I am assuming there are several actual real not-run-by-the-police systems that they are referring to, I can see the NSW government introduc…

What? They are banning Signal? How reasonable. haha

Re: New South Wales Government to ban use and posession of encrypted devices

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Post by megalottachoc » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:09 AM UTC

anonym29 wrote: post #5

They're literally criminalising math... What's next, criminalising the act of speaking in languages the police don't understand?

So, I take it I'm not allowed to use encrypted connections to do internet banking?

Unless I'm mistaken, it's like they're working for a scam technical support racket who call the phone at midnight and talk in a foreign accent.

Re: New South Wales Government to ban use and posession of encrypted devices

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Post by megalottachoc » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:11 AM UTC

femto wrote: post #2

The relevant quotes from the article (my emphasis): "The NSW government will introduce laws to confiscate unexplained wealth from criminal gangs and ban the use of encrypted devices as part of long-waited reforms to combat money laundering and organised crime." ... “These reforms will make it an offence to possess these kinds of devices and allow us to better target high-risk individuals from using them to orchestrat…

I believe Apple would like to have a word...

Re: New South Wales Government to ban use and posession of encrypted devices

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Post by coldtea » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 6:29 AM UTC

anonym29 wrote: post #10

coldtea wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're literally criminalising math... Well, in the sense that criminalizing stabbing someone is the same as "criminalising hand movements". There are better defenses to be made for encryption than "but it's math".

Yeah, because this was obviously my best-effort attempt at defending encryption, rather than simply mocking the arrogance of the parasitic bureaucrats who assume it's even possible (let alone achievable) to put the genie of encryption back in the bottle.

>Yeah, because this was obviously my best-effort attempt at defending encryption

It obviously was your "best-effort", since it was your only effort. The comment didn't include any other.

And whether you meant it just as sarcasm or not, many put it forward sincerely, as if it matters.