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Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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What I find amazing is that some retail operators apparently expect low-wage workers making like $12/hour to physically accost shoplifters or try to detain them at the exit door, at risk of getting punched in the face, bear sprayed, shot, stabbed, etc. They're not getting paid anywhere near enough for that level of risk.

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Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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post #18

> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?

I think that for some people, a lifetime of watching morally bankrupt corporations post record profits while your wages remains stagnant (made even more painful by inflation) can make it easy to fall in to the "If they can do it why can't I" trap.

Corporations have been looting america for decades but everyone gets their panties in a bunch when one of their victims loots one of the corporate stores so they can survive

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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post #10

> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?

Copying my other comment here. There definitely is a moral issue >busting people who are shoplifting items that they either need to survive or items that they can sell to survive to say, pay rent, because our capitalist system has shit on them and left them with no options Property rights should not be above human life. Full stop.

Is it OK to bust middle-class shoplifters, such as a number of my high school and college acquaintances?

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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post #2

Article kind of bums me out. One loss prevention officer says: > He finds the environment of loss prevention thrilling and takes pride in the training he’s received to track down and apprehend shoplifters. “That’s a huge adrenaline rush,” he says. “I think that’s a major factor in why people are in this field.” But also says: > “I don’t do this because I think shoplifting is wrong,” he says. “If I’m perfectly honest,…

One of the best teachers I had in college was a criminal justice counselor. And the job of criminal justice counseling isn't like other jobs in psychology, sure some of your job is to help the convicts, but a lot of the convicts don't want help or are actively hostile to your help, but part of your job is to help the state. Either way someone in the class asked how he can do the job if "helping people" wasn't more core to the work. And the response was that he liked the act of the work.

Summary is, It changed how I see work, because I think the happiest people and probably to some extent the best employees are the ones that are there because they enjoy the day to day, and not as much for the meaning they get out of it. (Obviously exceptions apply)

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#25
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah if a doctor said “I don’t really care about my patients’ lives. I just like the power of being able to prevent death” I really think that’s perfectly fine

Psychopaths are overrepresented in surgery/EMT work if I'm not mistaken, for better or worse.

So many surgeons with god complexes

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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>“That’s a huge adrenaline rush,” he says. “I think that’s a major factor in why people are in this field.”

This should be a huge red flag that should preclude someone from working in the industry.

As Dan says later in the article:

>“They’re more concerned with punishing and catching, and they see asset protection as a game,” adds Dan, who requested that Input give him an alias. “I don’t think it’s healthy to have those people in the industry. So, when I see that, I try to challenge that. The goal is to protect the business — not to ruin people’s lives.”

People who go into law enforcement or security should not be doing it because they get a kick out of catching and punishing people. Because if all they care about it that kick, they are more likely to abuse their power to get that kick regardless of whether the people on the other end deserve to be caught or punished.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#27

> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?

Excessive wealth inequality and weak welfare state.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?

shoplifting absolute necessities and life essentials is a morally light grey area. it's stealing, but when the alternative is starvation, there's a bit of leeway.

for everything else, it becomes this twisted worldview where shoplifters believe they're owed something by "the system." or because it's walmart/target instead of mom and pop's corner shop, it's like they're the modern day robin hood. the ability of our brains to think themselves into defending its own behavior, as immoral as it may be, is fascinating.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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post #2

Article kind of bums me out. One loss prevention officer says: > He finds the environment of loss prevention thrilling and takes pride in the training he’s received to track down and apprehend shoplifters. “That’s a huge adrenaline rush,” he says. “I think that’s a major factor in why people are in this field.” But also says: > “I don’t do this because I think shoplifting is wrong,” he says. “If I’m perfectly honest,…

I don't see the problem as long as it's directed toward a prosocial aim.

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Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the problem as long as it's directed toward a prosocial aim.

Yeah if a doctor said “I don’t really care about my patients’ lives. I just like the power of being able to prevent death” I really think that’s perfectly fine

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