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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by jsjohnst »

legutierr wrote: post #229
rayiner wrote: post #203

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What I love is that institutions like universities will happily link arms with Qatar for the $$$, despite the neo-slavery: https://www.qatar.northwestern.edu . Really puts their woke messaging at home in context.

“Institutions” in general don’t have woke messaging, specific institutions do. “Universities” in general don’t have partnerships with the Qatar government, specific universities do. Just because one university is very “woke”, and another university forms a partnership with Qatar does not mean that universities in general are hypocritical, or even that any specific university is hypocritical. If you are going to make…

I’m not getting involved in the debate over what’s a “woke” university and what isn’t (partly because everyone’s definition is different), but here is a non-exhaustive list of American universities partnered with Qatar:

- Northwestern University

- Cornell University

- Carnegie Mellon University

- Georgetown University

- Texas A&M University

- Virginia Commonwealth University

That’s just the ones I know of in Qatar, there’s also a bunch more in other gulf region countries (like the UAE).

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Post by GuB-42 »

krzrak wrote: post #4

it's disgusting to organize public, worldwide events in barbaric countries.

It is interesting to see all the discussion that follows regarding the term "barbaric". Is making homosexuality illegal barbaric? Is the US worse because they do $horrible_thing?

I think it may be useful to remember the origin of the word. Barbarians in ancient Greece were simply the non-Greek. People of different culture, speaking a different language. And of course, they were considered inferior and unrefined by the Greeks, who called themselves citizens.

For the Romans, Barbarians were those who were neither Roman nor Greek. It included Germans, Gauls, Persians,...

So I think it is useful to remember that in addition to the idea that "barbaric" means primitive, brutal or cruel, there is also that idea of looking down on cultures that are not our own.

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Post by Ondigo »

rg111 wrote: post #340
no-reply wrote: post #331

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Certainly you would agree there are bounds to personal liberty.

If you are not harming anyone, there is no limit. E.g.: I would not want to see people murdering each other even if they are consenting. I would not ever eat dog meat, but I am fine with other people eating dogs or cows or pigs or whatever. You can throw your punch anywhere, as long as my nose is not in there. (Take this sentence literally) Please do not get into the metaphysical debate of what harm will mean broadly…

By that logic is incest ok with you?

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Post by rg111 »

Ondigo wrote: post #363
rg111 wrote: post #340

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If you are not harming anyone, there is no limit. E.g.: I would not want to see people murdering each other even if they are consenting. I would not ever eat dog meat, but I am fine with other people eating dogs or cows or pigs or whatever. You can throw your punch anywhere, as long as my nose is not in there. (Take this sentence literally) Please do not get into the metaphysical debate of what harm will mean broadly…

By that logic is incest ok with you?

Yes. As long as all the people involved are adults.

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Post by nvahalik »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #223

From the article: --------------------------- Nasser Al-Khater, chairman of Qatar's 2022 World Cup organising committee, has said that all World Cup attendees will be safe regardless of their sexual orientation or culture. In December 2021 Al-Khater did confirm that "homosexuality is not allowed" in the emirate, but promises that LGTBIQ+ fans will have the right to travel to the country and attend matches. "Qatar and…

Seems to be as tolerant as most people I talk to:

You can believe whatever you want to believe, so long as you act in accordance with ours laws.

This seems to be how many people view tolerance. Their laws are different. If you do not like that, do not go there.

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Post by singularity2001 »

Good, one night stands are the abomination of (western) culture. This is just my feeling, I have no way to convince you. The state should not interfere with private affairs, this is the only reason why this unenforceable 'rule' should be purely symbolic.

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Post by GekkePrutser »

suture wrote: post #141
danamit wrote: post #105

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It is not about the Kafala system, since even the West has similar systems. It is that they treat migrant workers that are not highly skilled specially from specific backgrounds bad.

In Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, and elsewhere in the region migrant workers have their passport taken by the employer and thus can’t leave the country. They are stuck. In most other countries the employer does not confiscate your passport. It’s weird to me that one needs a passport to leave a country. In the U.S. you don’t need a passport to leave.

It is in fact illegal to confiscate for a private entity to confiscate a passport in most Western countries.

Unfortunately it's not well policed, many hotels and office receptions try to do so when they issue you a badge but I always refuse.

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Post by brobdingnagians »

lordnacho wrote: post #44
cmntqatar2022 wrote: post #32

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> It's their culture, their country, do we have a moral right to say country barbaric for their cultural norms they accepted for hundreds of years? Yes, who am I to say that throwing a virgin into a volcano to please the fire god is barbaric? They've done it for hundreds of years! You know what's barbaric? Abolitionism! Slavery has been part of our society for hundreds of years, and that fellow Wilberforce thinks he…

If you dig below the surface a little bit,most countries are barbaric, and not just by culturally relative things. Just one of many examples, the US openly tortures innocent individuals, persecutes journalists, and has started more wars in the last century than any other country. That's pretty warlike and barbaric, but if the entire world decided to boycott and sanction the US, Americans would throw a tantrum and rant about being the beacon of democracy and all good things.

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Post by ravar »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #82
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #71

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The gulf states are modern-day slave societies.

And why don't we in the west sanction them or refuse to trade with them for this practice? Not only that but we're actively supporting these regimes and selling them cutting edge weapons. Why is that? 'checks notes' Oh, right, oil.

Yeah our willingness to sanction Russia and all their oil, plunging europe into shortages kinda falsifies that theory. I wonder what the actual reason is :)

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Post by jleyank »

cloutchaser wrote: post #336
jleyank wrote: post #298

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Well, to draw examples from the US, Curt Flood tossed his baseball career to break the reserve clause. Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali lost years of work due to Vietnam. Colin Kaepernick tossed his football career to showcase racism. I'm sure there's non-US examples but those are what came to mind. I don't mind people "going along to get along", but I respect those who put themselves at risk if they're talking RL issues. B…

Muhammed Ali is perhaps a good example, because he really did have something to lose. I think Colin Kapernick is not as good, he wasn't a good player, and in the current environment what he did was guaranteed to be embraced by the cultural leadership of the english speaking world, he was basically held up as a hero, and got his own TV show. If a premier league player refused to kneel for BLM, he would be banished fro…

Flood was good, possibly Hall of Fame good. Ended his career at that instant.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/07/ho...

Imagine the kerfluffle if a national team passed on Qatar or if a Messi or similar just said no. It's being applied to Russia for international aggression, so maybe ethics-and-fairness might happen someday?

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