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Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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Boomers are leaving the labor market without as many people replacing them, creating a labor crunch. COVID accelerated that process. It's not much more complicated than that

Some are, some are coming back https://money.yahoo.com/older-americans-head-back-to-the-wor...

Sooner or later they will leave the labor market for good though, because dead people cannot work.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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"Great resignation" is mostly that, a narrative. Workers aren't actually becoming powerful. They're just slightly less powerless, and everyone knows it's transient--barring an overthrow of corporate capitalism, but I think we all know that such things are unpredictable--which is why people are itchy to move now before things go back to how they were and everyone is stuck in place for a while. It's good for cappie PR…

Boomers are leaving the labor market without as many people replacing them, creating a labor crunch. COVID accelerated that process. It's not much more complicated than that

That's a factor too, and I think that as Millennials and Xers realize that the BoomerJobs--the jobs in which you actually have some choice in what you work on, where you write your own performance review because the boss sees you as a friend rather than an exploitable resource--aren't going to be allocated to them, but written out of existence, we will see an acceleration of the discouragement and "presenteeism" that are already endemic.

The only reason we haven't seen 85% of society give up all at once is that some people still hold out hope that the BoomerJobs, once vacated, will be given to them. That isn't going to happen, though.

People work "hard" in our society, because they have no other choice, since there is no social safety net and employers can do whatever they want in this country, but no one really cares anymore. This has manifested itself as survivable mediocrity for quite a while, but as soon as our society finds itself in any kind of serious crisis it will collapse. It almost did, during COVID.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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This the work life balance their culture pushed on to workers, it prevented WFH from being adopted long ago. I just have no sympathy.

Their lack of work life balance is why they earn 300x the pay, correct? That's the narrative I am most familiar with as their rationale for the income gap.

I am amused at the article's pin that some of the c-level work life balance changes could trickle down via policy...this thinking is broken.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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As an executive you’re in a position to influence and make changes for folks below you, I guess they really don’t give a shit. Self > team I suppose

That's not the impression I have from the article. The overwhelming % of execs are pushing for positive change. At the end of the day, it's the "put your own mask on first" principle. Execs are humans just like everyone else, with their own job pressures and stresses, not robots that can automatically compartmentalise and supress their own feelings and emotions.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some are, some are coming back https://money.yahoo.com/older-americans-head-back-to-the-wor...

Sooner or later they will leave the labor market for good though, because dead people cannot work.

Indeed, 1.8 million people over 55 die every year in the US.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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I wouldn't want my bosses job. I don't think it pays all that much more than mine but it requires a lot of days full of meetings and late nights. I may even do better on a hourly basis. I think some people get wrapped up in the headline salary number (XXX,XXX per year, that's a lot of money!) and never break it down into a hourly number to see if it's actually a better deal.

100%. In big tech, as you get more senior, the job becomes miserable. I wouldn’t want to be a Director, or even a Senior Staff engineer. At a certain point you sacrifice your sanity to be in that many meetings.

My career trajectory was Dev -> Senior -> Lead -> Director -> Senior. I left a company and purposefully looked for my next job further down the ladder, after having profound burnout that made me question whether I wanted to keep working in the industry at all. I decided I like making software, I just didn't like the amount of stress, anxiety, uncertainty, politics, and bickering I was experiencing. In my experience, these things grew exponentially at each level, while the salary only grew linearly. So, I'm fine making merely "way more money than I need" while not crying in my car in the garage before work, which is something that actually happened many times at my old job.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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As an executive you’re in a position to influence and make changes for folks below you, I guess they really don’t give a shit. Self > team I suppose

In defence of executives its not that clear cut. Yes you can influence and most large companies have channels to do this but how much they listen to you depends on the support the executive gets from their manager and so on. For big change to work there has to be the right culture set by the board and this has to feed down. Heck, maybe in the not so distant futures a DAO like setup will exist that will flip all this…

You'd also have to know what changes to make.

I like my job, but the fact that I have to do it or else lose my house makes it less joyful than it might otherwise be.

Not sure what my boss can do about that.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boomers are leaving the labor market without as many people replacing them, creating a labor crunch. COVID accelerated that process. It's not much more complicated than that

Some are, some are coming back https://money.yahoo.com/older-americans-head-back-to-the-wor...

Early boomers had to push back retirement because of 2008 GFC. They are permanently exiting the market, now. Later boomers are going part-time or being selective. They aren't going back to blue collar and that's where things are completely fucked.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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I wouldn't want my bosses job. I don't think it pays all that much more than mine but it requires a lot of days full of meetings and late nights. I may even do better on a hourly basis. I think some people get wrapped up in the headline salary number (XXX,XXX per year, that's a lot of money!) and never break it down into a hourly number to see if it's actually a better deal.

It's funny how fast and profoundly "perspective" will hit you. When I was a young programmer I always dreamed of that promotion and comp adjustment. Constantly looking for that next step. That's not inherently bad, per se, but once you reach a particular place you come to find out what the commensurate responsibility looks like. Sometimes -- dare I say, often? -- it's just not fun. That's what they pay you for, though, right?

The friends and colleagues in my cohort, the ones NOW with larger financial and familial responsibilities, curse their former selves for not knowing how good they had it.

I guess all that is to say, as cliche as it is, "be careful what you wish for".

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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As an executive you’re in a position to influence and make changes for folks below you, I guess they really don’t give a shit. Self > team I suppose

The older I get, the more I realize that middle managers (and even C-suite executives) are even more limited in what they can achieve than individual contributors. They have no way to do anything themselves and all "initiatives" they start inevitably get stuck in endless meetings and planning sessions with people that are very invested in status quo. Imagine how much harder the chinese telephone game gets if some peo…

That's been my experience moving from individual contributor to c suite exec. As an individual contributor, I was free to just do what I thought was best for the company and contribute to any project that I thought I could add the most value.

As a c-suite exec, I spend most of my time in meetings that lead to very little change and I look on with a bit of envy on ICs who get to improve things without asking for permission first.

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