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Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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I wouldn't want my bosses job. I don't think it pays all that much more than mine but it requires a lot of days full of meetings and late nights. I may even do better on a hourly basis. I think some people get wrapped up in the headline salary number (XXX,XXX per year, that's a lot of money!) and never break it down into a hourly number to see if it's actually a better deal.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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I’ve been wondering how the great resignation narrative will fare with the looming recession.

"Great resignation" is mostly that, a narrative. Workers aren't actually becoming powerful. They're just slightly less powerless, and everyone knows it's transient--barring an overthrow of corporate capitalism, but I think we all know that such things are unpredictable--which is why people are itchy to move now before things go back to how they were and everyone is stuck in place for a while.

It's good for cappie PR to create a narrative of empowered, entitled workers. It's just not true, though. Most of the current worker attrition has to do with COVID-related disability (long COVID), gas prices, and displacements caused by rising rents. It's not that people are suddenly deciding not to work because the Capitalism Fairy is putting seed capital under their pillows--it's that people who had few options now have even fewer.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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As an executive you’re in a position to influence and make changes for folks below you, I guess they really don’t give a shit. Self > team I suppose

In defence of executives its not that clear cut. Yes you can influence and most large companies have channels to do this but how much they listen to you depends on the support the executive gets from their manager and so on.

For big change to work there has to be the right culture set by the board and this has to feed down.

Heck, maybe in the not so distant futures a DAO like setup will exist that will flip all this on its head.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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post #5

I’ve been wondering how the great resignation narrative will fare with the looming recession.

"Great resignation" is mostly that, a narrative. Workers aren't actually becoming powerful. They're just slightly less powerless, and everyone knows it's transient--barring an overthrow of corporate capitalism, but I think we all know that such things are unpredictable--which is why people are itchy to move now before things go back to how they were and everyone is stuck in place for a while. It's good for cappie PR…

Boomers are leaving the labor market without as many people replacing them, creating a labor crunch. COVID accelerated that process. It's not much more complicated than that

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Great resignation" is mostly that, a narrative. Workers aren't actually becoming powerful. They're just slightly less powerless, and everyone knows it's transient--barring an overthrow of corporate capitalism, but I think we all know that such things are unpredictable--which is why people are itchy to move now before things go back to how they were and everyone is stuck in place for a while. It's good for cappie PR…

Boomers are leaving the labor market without as many people replacing them, creating a labor crunch. COVID accelerated that process. It's not much more complicated than that

Some are, some are coming back

https://money.yahoo.com/older-americans-head-back-to-the-wor...

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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I wouldn't want my bosses job. I don't think it pays all that much more than mine but it requires a lot of days full of meetings and late nights. I may even do better on a hourly basis. I think some people get wrapped up in the headline salary number (XXX,XXX per year, that's a lot of money!) and never break it down into a hourly number to see if it's actually a better deal.

100%. In big tech, as you get more senior, the job becomes miserable. I wouldn’t want to be a Director, or even a Senior Staff engineer. At a certain point you sacrifice your sanity to be in that many meetings.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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As an executive you’re in a position to influence and make changes for folks below you, I guess they really don’t give a shit. Self > team I suppose

The older I get, the more I realize that middle managers (and even C-suite executives) are even more limited in what they can achieve than individual contributors. They have no way to do anything themselves and all "initiatives" they start inevitably get stuck in endless meetings and planning sessions with people that are very invested in status quo.

Imagine how much harder the chinese telephone game gets if some people actively sabotage it.

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