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Re: Potato diet community trial

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Anecdotally, that kind of thing sure works. Back in the day my aunt turned from plump and boring to thin and elegant in a couple of months by eating only chicken and rice. However, I think those diets only "work" because they make you starve while filling your belly. I guess what they do to your body is that they deprive it of the vast majority of the nutrients it needs. It makes sense that you'd lose weight then, in…

I think any crazy-restrictive diet can "work," in the sense of short-term weight loss. But the article seems to think that the potato diet will somehow reset something that's gone wrong, leading to the weight staying off after the all-potato phase is finished? That will be the real test...

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Anecdote alert here, but I grew up in Northern Europe and had a standard diet absolutely full of dairy. No problems. Then I moved to East Asia for about a year and inadvertently cut out dairy completely (it just wasn't in any food, and I didn't crave it). When I went back on holiday after the first year and reintroduced dairy into my diet it seemed I had developed a serious intolerance to it which took months to slow…

I actually value anecdotal health stuff more than most folks. I just am not at my best and don't really know how to engage with this other than to say "Thanks."

Thanks for your thanks! Whatever you're dealing with, I sincerely hope it gets better.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…

I'm a big believer in the idea that diet can influence the microbiome but current science does not support the above statements. While diet can induce a shift in the gut microbiota, these changes appear to be temporary. Whether prolonged dietary changes can induce permanent alterations in the gut microbiota is unknown https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6950569/#:~:tex... I am unaware of dietary induced lact…

> appear to be temporary

That's a good point to bring up, but I do wonder if this is splitting hairs just a little bit. A shift in your microbiome might be technically temporary while still making things feel very weird for that temporary period -- however long that takes to change.

Also keep in mind:

> Whether prolonged dietary changes can induce permanent alterations in the gut microbiota is unknown, mainly due to a lack of long-term human dietary interventions, or long-term follow-ups of short-term dietary interventions. > > [...] > > Our understanding of the duration required for a dietary intervention to have an enduring impact on the gut microbiota, and consequently health, is hampered by several limitations. Firstly, there is a lack of long-term human studies, or indeed follow-ups of short-term dietary interventions, that seek to establish if a diet-induced modulation of the gut microbiota endures, though the wash-out periods of cross-sectional studies provide some indirect insight.

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All that to say I actually kind of agree, and I also don't see super-strong scientific evidence of induced lactose intolerance, but I qualify that by saying that it might just be a lack of study. And again, could also be a difference in what people mean by "permanent". If something makes you lactose intolerant for a month, that's still interesting, even if that's not meeting GP's "in a year" claim.

I've been vegan for maybe a year and half at this point, and was vegetarian before that. I'm curious how my body would react to eating a meat/cheese/lactose heavy meal if I sprang one on it out of the blue (not curious enough to actually try it, but it would be an interesting experiment).

Re: Potato diet community trial

#194

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Can keto meals really be described as "delicious"? I mean, I love the taste of butter, cream, marbled steaks and pork fat, but when you have to consume whipping cream as a beverage it sounds absolutely nauseating.

Keto meals CAN be amazingly delicious, but at the same time extremely unhealthy. Here in Mexico we have a large number of keto friendly recipes, but the amount of saturated fats in them guarantee a heart attack. - carnitas - barbacoa - birria - queso fundido - taquiqueso Among many others

I eat and enjoy quite a lot of Mexican food and all of it has way too much protein and carbs to put you in ketosis. We’re talking about getting 90% of all calories from fat here, I seriously doubt many if any Mexican recipes at all are that fatty.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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At that point you are just kinda throwing spaghetti at the wall in an 'anything is possible' kind of sense, neither of those are very parsimonious explanations. Besides the fact the diet isn't asking suggesting anyone not supplement, a vegan diet won't lead to a severe B-12 deficiency in a matter months. But hey there is a non-0% chance you are bang on and the people losing weight when trying to eat 20 potatoes a day…

I don't understand what you're trying to say because the derision in your comment is taking up all the space that would normally be dedicated to clarity.

To be fair, your reply wasn't very helpful when I was asking about specific causes of rapid weight loss induced by micronutrient deficiency that wouldn't manifest as other disease states that could make this scenario remotely plausible. But no derision intended, I was noting the possibility that you could well be correct.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#196

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Interesting. I am one year on mostly keto and lost all excessive fat and gained a lot (!) of muscle. And I seem to be burning fat and gain muscle at the same time. One thing to note, I am not sure why would you suggest to remove olive oil. All the research (I’ve seen) suggests that olive oil is really good for humans

Olive oil, coconut oil, lard and butter are all recommended for cooking, but not all of them are suitable for high heat.

Which ones? The milk solids in the butter will obviously burn, but the others seem about as suitable as anything can get.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Olive oil, coconut oil, lard and butter are all recommended for cooking, but not all of them are suitable for high heat.

Which ones? The milk solids in the butter will obviously burn, but the others seem about as suitable as anything can get.

Yes, ghee would be better than butter, and I wouldn't use olive oil for high-temperature frying. Coconut oil and beef tallow very suitable.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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I'm a big believer in the idea that diet can influence the microbiome but current science does not support the above statements. While diet can induce a shift in the gut microbiota, these changes appear to be temporary. Whether prolonged dietary changes can induce permanent alterations in the gut microbiota is unknown https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6950569/#:~:tex... I am unaware of dietary induced lact…

> appear to be temporary That's a good point to bring up, but I do wonder if this is splitting hairs just a little bit. A shift in your microbiome might be technically temporary while still making things feel very weird for that temporary period -- however long that takes to change. Also keep in mind: > Whether prolonged dietary changes can induce permanent alterations in the gut microbiota is unknown, mainly due to…

I'm not splitting hairs. I'm engaging in conversation to the best of my ability while under the weather, which is generally true of my interactions on HN.

My anecdotal experience or understanding is that potato starch is generally good for gut health, that you can nearly live on potatoes alone which is why the Irish Potato Famine was such a big deal -- big families on small plots of land were keeping people alive by growing mostly potatoes and people died in droves when the potato crop was screwed up -- and if you include oils in your "potato only" diet like the instructions allow for, coconut oil is medically known for many decades to be good for gut health due to being high in medium chain triglycerides and a guy with a PhD told me it's specifically good for microbiota. Butter is also a decent source of medium chain triglycerides though not as high as coconut oil.

Whatever is or is not true generally about "eat ONLY this" diets, my suspicion is a potato only diet -- especially if you include the right oils/fats -- is probably not a big threat to your microbiota (though other sources here are saying that losing your lactose tolerance totally is a thing and that may well be something that can happen with this diet).

Which I didn't want to say and may yet regret saying, but in for a penny, in for a pound as they say.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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post #195

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I don't understand what you're trying to say because the derision in your comment is taking up all the space that would normally be dedicated to clarity.

To be fair, your reply wasn't very helpful when I was asking about specific causes of rapid weight loss induced by micronutrient deficiency that wouldn't manifest as other disease states that could make this scenario remotely plausible. But no derision intended, I was noting the possibility that you could well be correct.

Fair enough. Sorry for overreacting.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#200
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One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…

I'm a big believer in the idea that diet can influence the microbiome but current science does not support the above statements. While diet can induce a shift in the gut microbiota, these changes appear to be temporary. Whether prolonged dietary changes can induce permanent alterations in the gut microbiota is unknown https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6950569/#:~:tex... I am unaware of dietary induced lact…

Autoimmune Protocol Diet is big in the autoimmune support place.

I've tried it myself and try to stick to it. When strict on it my horrific whole body burning pain stopped.

Not everyone, but many people are either cured, show no symptoms, or have reduced symptoms.

I've also noticed a lot of people that have never heard of it eventually rediscover it via trial and error on how their body responds.

Funny enough in contrast to the article. Potatoes (nightshades) are not allowed. Sweet potatoes are.

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