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Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by ravenstine »

lionkor wrote: post #85

Hot take: Just eat a balanced meal, traditional meals are usually good, anything homemade in moderation, as long as it has veggies, protein, and some fresh veggies rich in vitamins every now and then. Drink water, eat in moderation, and see a doctor if you have issues with it (there are plenty of issues which can cause a misbehaved appetite). And please, for the love of god, don't do any "only X" diets. Just eat bala…

What defines a "balanced" diet?

Guess what; no one can agree on what a balanced diet actually is. It's quite literally one of the least scientific concepts ever invented.

In fact, there's evidence to the contrary that eating a "balanced" diet that combines macronutrients really is not a good thing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2739696/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle

The potato diet likely works because fatty acids and glucose aren't competing to such an extent that cells stop accepting more energy, thereby causing the body to have to release more insulin. And because potatoes are very satiating.

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Post by sinsterizme »

adrianN wrote: post #31
DeWilde wrote: post #4

> It sounds like a dumb gimmick that could never work, but there are a surprising number of people out there saying that they tried it, it worked for them, and they kept the weight off for months or even years after. Losing weight isn't causal to being healthy. In most cases it correlates because gaining weight is usually done through eating unhealthy (excess calories, refined sugars, etc.) so going on a healthy diet…

You can gain weight on a diet of "healthy" foods. It's the amount of calories. Being overweight is bad for your health even if you only eat healthy foods.

Sure, but healthy foods contain more nutrients, that’s why they can be called healthy. So fueling your body to excess with a lot of nutrients will lead to a much better functioning body than doing the same with garbage

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by samatman »

causi wrote: post #140
DoreenMichele wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a big believer in the idea that diet can influence the microbiome but current science does not support the above statements. While diet can induce a shift in the gut microbiota, these changes appear to be temporary. Whether prolonged dietary changes can induce permanent alterations in the gut microbiota is unknown https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6950569/#:~:tex... I am unaware of dietary induced lact…

I'm always baffled at how China is largely lactose-intolerant while also being ground-zero for weird milk drinks.

Calpis (Calipico in some markets) is the original of these and is fermented to turn all the lactose into lactic acid.

AIUI drinking whole milk is mostly a Hong Kong thing.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by ravenstine »

prmoustache wrote: post #24

Any X-only diet doesn't seem healthy to me. There is no magical ingredient and we are omnivorous. Sure you can reduce weight with many types of different diets but it doesn't mean it is good for your health. It is better to develop good healthy habits than you can maintain for years and also while socializing and living in family.

We are not omnivores. Humans are obligate hypercarnivores that are capable of scavenging other energy sources for survival. Plenty of animals, both herbivores and carnivores, are capable of eating foods that they were not developed to eat, but that does not mean it's optimal or good for them.

Humans only became "omnivores" in the last 30,000 years as a result of agriculture. For several million years prior to that, hominins ate diets almost entirely of meat from ruminants and occasionally some roots and tubers. If we were designed to eat everything in a "balanced" proportion, as is often suggested, we would have a cecum to properly ferment plant material, and our digestive systems would be more basic than acidic.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by xtracto »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #81
fredsted wrote: post #7

I don't doubt this works, but I'd rather do e.g. keto where I can eat delicious meals and still feel fully satiated.

Can keto meals really be described as "delicious"? I mean, I love the taste of butter, cream, marbled steaks and pork fat, but when you have to consume whipping cream as a beverage it sounds absolutely nauseating.

Keto meals CAN be amazingly delicious, but at the same time extremely unhealthy.

Here in Mexico we have a large number of keto friendly recipes, but the amount of saturated fats in them guarantee a heart attack.

- carnitas - barbacoa - birria - queso fundido - taquiqueso

Among many others

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by SnowHill9902 »

fasteo wrote: post #94

I haven't seen it mentioned in the post, but it is worth mentioning that (boiled) potatoes have the highest satiety index [1] among common foods. The highest SI score was produced by boiled potatoes (323 +/- 51%) which was seven-fold higher than the lowest SI score of the croissant (47 +/- 17%) [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7498104/ edit: added (boiled)

Also one of the highest glycemic indexes which is undesirable.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by mstipetic »

samatman wrote: post #149
zikduruqe wrote: post #128

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And for all your bro-dieters out there eating a "paleo" diet, realize that our Paleolithic friends ate mostly plants. The Hadza tribe is one of our last living examples and their gut biome is amazing. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/08/24/5456315... https://www.wired.com/2014/04/hadza-hunter-gatherer-gut-micr...

The only thing we know Paleolithic people ate a lot of is meat. Paleolithic archaeological sites are full of marrow-scraped bones and the stone tools used to kill and butcher. Paleolithic teeth have little of the damage associated with eating grit from ground grains. We have such remarkable discoveries as a building made entirely of mammoth skulls. The Hadza are a modern people, and modern hunter-gatherers have been…

Some did some didn’t. You can’t claim something for all Paleolithic peoples across all climates and regions

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Post by 7speter »

shadowfox wrote: post #150
pc86 wrote: post #141

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This seems pretty dismissive of a diet that - like all diets - has some idiotic and vocal adherents, but consists basically of "don't eat processed food or added sugar."

> but consists basically of "don't eat processed food or added sugar." Paleo goes a bit beyond that, to be fair.

The last I checked (maybe 6 years ago), the paleo diet strongly encouraged adherents to eat greens, berries, and seeds.

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

molszanski wrote: post #50
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #14

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I did this for a year. Its not sustainable, you'll loose muscle mass. I eat potatoes daily now, but not exclusively - complex carbs are harder to burn, so they are fattening, so I have gained some weight. Maybe I'll eliminate the rice and see how that goes. I'd recommend against olive oil and for coconut oil, frying potatoes needs a lot of heat. Add parsley, bacon, caraway, onions and serve with pickled white cabbage…

Interesting. I am one year on mostly keto and lost all excessive fat and gained a lot (!) of muscle. And I seem to be burning fat and gain muscle at the same time. One thing to note, I am not sure why would you suggest to remove olive oil. All the research (I’ve seen) suggests that olive oil is really good for humans

Olive oil, coconut oil, lard and butter are all recommended for cooking, but not all of them are suitable for high heat.
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