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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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post #254

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> a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer So, like an H1B?

H1B sponsors don’t hold your passport.

H1B visas have a similar effect of promoting longer employments and lower wages compared to the local workforce with regular liberty.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Lol it’s also every single company ever. Look at the US/Western twitter accounts of major corporations and they’re all rainbows. Then look at their Middle East or other regions twitter accounts.. the only color they care about is green. Everything else is marketing backed by legal. I was selected for a project in a Gulf country and we had a preliminary session where I got an eye opener. Basically, no women or gays, n…

> the only color they care about is green. As it should be. Corporations should not have many opinions and should operate within the law. If corporate leaders or employees don’t like it then they can spend their free time lobbying or campaigning for politicians that want to change things. Only after the law is changed should the company make a change. Until then, business as usual.

> As it should be. Corporations should not have many opinions and should operate within the law.

Corporations should operate within the confines of non-discrimination law. If these business opportunities aren’t open to their Jewish or female employees, they are partaking in discrimination.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Lol it’s also every single company ever. Look at the US/Western twitter accounts of major corporations and they’re all rainbows. Then look at their Middle East or other regions twitter accounts.. the only color they care about is green. Everything else is marketing backed by legal. I was selected for a project in a Gulf country and we had a preliminary session where I got an eye opener. Basically, no women or gays, n…

> the only color they care about is green. As it should be. Corporations should not have many opinions and should operate within the law. If corporate leaders or employees don’t like it then they can spend their free time lobbying or campaigning for politicians that want to change things. Only after the law is changed should the company make a change. Until then, business as usual.

some real IBM in the 1930s energy here

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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As someone who has watched every possible minute of each world cup since 2002 I plan on avoiding this one entirely.

Everything about it is wrong.

When the depth of FIFA's corruption was uncovered a few years ago* I honestly thought the Qatar decision would be overturned. Giving the competition to a country with no footballing history and no recognisable players, teams or clubs was beyond comprehension.

*officially uncovered, I think everyone with a little interest in the game knew it was chock full of dodgy practices

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

Early 2021 numbers suggest 6500 had died by then. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/r...

Those numbers make no sense at all, as previously discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30930117

In fact, if we take them at a face value, they suggest incredibly low death rates among immigrant workers in Qatar.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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post #161

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Deuteronomy 22-22:29 is good stuff

You rather not be married if you are to be raped I guess? Do I read the rules correctly?

It depends on if you’re ok being sold off to your rapist. Can’t see how that could go wrong.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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post #107
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https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

UAE had the most vaccinated people. Except they only counted citizens, foreign workers didn't count. I suspect Qutar did something similar.

I got vaccinated in UAE with a low-skill worker visa, no issues.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Lol it’s also every single company ever. Look at the US/Western twitter accounts of major corporations and they’re all rainbows. Then look at their Middle East or other regions twitter accounts.. the only color they care about is green. Everything else is marketing backed by legal. I was selected for a project in a Gulf country and we had a preliminary session where I got an eye opener. Basically, no women or gays, n…

> the only color they care about is green. As it should be. Corporations should not have many opinions and should operate within the law. If corporate leaders or employees don’t like it then they can spend their free time lobbying or campaigning for politicians that want to change things. Only after the law is changed should the company make a change. Until then, business as usual.

IMO this is a terrible take on what companies should be doing. "Unless there's a law against it we should be doing it" is not how people who make up a corporation should be thinking.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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post #141

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It is not about the Kafala system, since even the West has similar systems. It is that they treat migrant workers that are not highly skilled specially from specific backgrounds bad.

In Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, and elsewhere in the region migrant workers have their passport taken by the employer and thus can’t leave the country. They are stuck. In most other countries the employer does not confiscate your passport. It’s weird to me that one needs a passport to leave a country. In the U.S. you don’t need a passport to leave.

That's not legal, and it doesn't happen in cases of the kind of workers you are talking about. Taking passport or treating to be accused of rape and similar things happen (not commonly) to domestic workers and drivers. In occasions they buy the right of Kafala from the Kafil for a couple of $1000s and you leaving before your contract ends feel to them like a loss of money, I would say the situation here is indeed similar to slavery. For industry workers, every worker is replaceable and the company hiring you has 0 incentive to force you to stay.

The real issue in gulf is not paying livable wages mainly. Anything else is comparable to farm workers in Europe.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

>"[...] an estimated 4,000 migrant workers will die, making this event the deadliest in sporting history."

This is a silly fabrication, as discussed before in another thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30930117

Not sure why this circlejerk is so popular on HN, the facts do not support it in the slightest.

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