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Chromium is open source. You're confusing Chromium with Chrome.
What will a Chromium-only Web look like?
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Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?
#132We don't have to speculate, we've been through this already during the IE4 to IE6 era. Microsoft just did whatever they wanted with the web "platform", and so will Google. In Microsoft's case what they wanted was nothing . They weren't a web business, saw it as a threat to their platform leverage, and so just left it abandoned and stagnant for years. Google is simultaneously better and worse: they won't leave it stag…
We've also seen how it looks like with Google, with a lot of features that later did become standardized - or obsolete - being implemented in either Chrome, or in their Gears addon (http://gearsblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/stopping-gears.html), which led to application caches, IndexedDB, File API, geolocation, web workers, notifications, etc.
Oh and early on they had URL prefetching, but that led to badly written web interfaces from executing operations that shouldn't happen.
Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?
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> The only reason they disallow Chromium and Mozilla is they want their users locked into their environment and they want to leverage that substantial locked-in user base to dictate terms That's one reason, but not the only reason. Security is another big one in that the WebKit process is running with privileges that Apple does not want to award to any other app process on the platform, much less a third-party one. T…
"Security is another big one in that the WebKit process is running with privileges that Apple does not want to award to any other app process on the platform, much less a third-party one." If they really cared about security then they could subject their browser to an independent security audit, and require the same audit be passed for any other browser that's allowed on their platform. Why don't they do this?
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Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?
#134The chromium-only web is not google’s fault. It is a symptom of a body of web standards that has grown wild to the point of being all but unimplementable. Building a browser for the modern standards-based web is effectively impossible, because it costs too much, takes too long, and requires a standing army to keep up with. We are at an impasse. The standards cannot be deprecated because they are used all over the web…
We should convert browsers in to just a basic wasm window responsible for rendering html and running wasm. Then JavaScript and all it’s apis can become a shared library as a wasm package or something.
So... aren't we kind of coming full circle if we do that, going back to the JVM+Swing except this time it's boxed in a window and is more dynamic...
Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?
#135I'm not a webdev so I mostly don't care as long as it's FOSS, but I will say that firefox loads a lot faster than chromium on my machine. Looking at top it appears that somehow firefox is actually using more memory than chromium is (i only tested a three tabs open in each browser so maybe they don't scale the same under heavier load) but at the same time I can report anecdotally that in addition to being slower, chro…
Weird cause I have the opposite effect. Firefox is way slower... On Linux, Firefox didn't even implement any video accelerated decoding for the longest time and it is still buggy and has poor support for Wayland with glitchy artifacts during resizing, etc. I'm using an older computer with Linux and wouldn't be able to use the web reliably if it weren't for Chromium.
Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?
#136I think it's bizarre to conflate Apple's refusal to allow other webkits on iOS with the fact that Safari remains a viable alternative engine. They're far from heroes here. I think it's great they maintain a Chrome alternative kit that mostly works but let's not pretend they're saints or kid ourselves about the reasons for it. The only reason they disallow Chromium and Mozilla is they want their users locked into thei…
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Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?
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Those are not fundamentals, more like bells and whistles. Fundamentals are strictly dictated by what Google want in the Chrome and its clones and will never change, at least with current trends when even MS switched to Chrome.
The point is that Google can't dictate what browser behavior the forks ('clones') choose to enable.
There's a reason people fork Chrome instead of Firefox. All Google has to do is slow walk making it hard to fork the way they did with Android.
Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?
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In the case of GNOME it is not apathy towards choice but corporate backing. Companies that do business with Linux like Redhat, Canonical, will benefit greatly if the vast number of options that the Linux ecosystem has can be culled to a certain approved stack, at least on their supported platforms. Since they also employ or sponsor a large amount of development within the ecosystem, other players are left either to g…
> In the case of GNOME it is not apathy towards choice but corporate backing. That's what it looks like to me as well but whenever this is asserted, GNOME folks are quick to point out that they are understaffed and GNOME is a community project. I suppose we'll never know the reality. > Despite being an even larger collection of s/w than GNOME and strongly supported by SuSE I remember reading on HN that SuSE has peopl…
> I remember reading on HN that SuSE has people for GNOME developement but no one for KDE development. IIRC, they also ship with GNOME as the default choice.
openSUSE has a KDE team, but I'm not sure to what extent they do upstream KDE development. [0] Also, openSUSE does not have a default desktop choice. I don't know where the enterprise offering differs from the community offering in these matters.
[0] https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:KDE
[1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Desktop_FAQ#How_to_choose_a...?
Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?
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> The web is a great threat to their app (and also subscription) revenue stream This is as ridiculous today as it has been every year since the iPhone began. Mobile web apps are terrible and despite all the years of promises that "feature X" will fix this nothing has changed. And you can't blame Apple because Google et al could easily have made mobile web apps work on Android. If you want to make a mobile web app the…
You do realize web apps can be packaged up and distributed on the Play Store and work just like regular apps on Android, and so YouTube Music among others are already web apps. Pretending like no one is interested when we're talking about probably close to 100 million users or more for a single web app is disingenuous. Apple is a walled garden and their cultist will make up any excuse to not have to admit so.
Web apps can be packaged up and distributed on App Store as well.
People tried it with PhoneGap for years and it failed. I even built some of them.
It has nothing to do with Apple and everything to do with the experience being objectively terrible.
So bad in fact that even Google gave up trying and built Flutter.
Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?
#140We don't have to speculate, we've been through this already during the IE4 to IE6 era. Microsoft just did whatever they wanted with the web "platform", and so will Google. In Microsoft's case what they wanted was nothing . They weren't a web business, saw it as a threat to their platform leverage, and so just left it abandoned and stagnant for years. Google is simultaneously better and worse: they won't leave it stag…
You fail to mention that IE was closed source while Chromium is open source. That's a completely different situation. We already have a number of Chromium based browsers that go against some of Google's most fundamental interests (e.g Brave).
Open source means next to nothing in Chromium's case.