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What will a Chromium-only Web look like?

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Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?

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The scaremongering about this is insane, I've seen people justify Apple forcing all browser on iOS to be Webkit based for the sake of "diversity" and "competition".

IT'S REALLY NOT THAT BAD AS PEOPLE WOULD MAKE YOU THINK!

Competition is great, forcing me to use Webkit on iOS is not how you fix this. Please go promote and support Firefox in any way you can.

Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?

#33

It will not be Chromium only. It will be chromium and safari and it already is. Apple will most likely never open up unless forced, which usually sucks but is a good thing due to the monopoly of the market. Firefox is responsible for such a low percentage it's sad (the stats I have for the sites I work on it's usually on the 1-2% range). I think it's mainly because of the horrible leadership at Mozilla. I want to use…

> Firefox is responsible for such a low percentage it's sad (the stats I have for the sites I work on it's usually on the 1-2% range). I think it's mainly because of the horrible leadership at Mozilla. I want to use Firefox and promote it but every time I think they've changed Mozilla does something new that boils my blood. This is repeated ad nauseum on this site and needs to be called out. The Mozilla management ma…

Yes but before the tech community was all fire for Firefox. IT-guys installed it on work computers, school computers etc. We would recommend it to our families and install it for our less techy family when they would need our assistance.

Firefox had the IT-sector with them. I think this does a lot for spreading the usage. Even just one IT-guy can probably give Firefox hundreds of users. Now, this is no longer the case and increasingly they have not only just been just as good or worse than chromium but they have gone out and actively angered a lot of their core user base with political things.

It is a fine browser, I haven't said anything else. It is the leadership that is bad. I would definitely be one of their strongest promoters if Brendan Eich were CEO.

But no, they kicked him out for a bs reason and employed a PC-dictator that fires most of the company and gives herself a promotion even though the usage is falling drastically.

Then they post shit like this:

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat...

https://book.mozillafestival.org/10-years-of-activism-commun...

and fund people like:

https://www.mozillapulse.org/profile/3116

If you consistently support specific political views it's not strange that the people who do not support these views will stop seeking them out and start recommending other browsers, how good Firefox may be doesn't really matter. They have turned Mozilla from a tech company to an activist company and now they will have to reap what they have sowed.

Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?

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We did this on ourselves. As everyone was laughing at Internet Explorer, another behemoth was overtaking IE and nothing was in their way. Mozilla (Firefox) was our chance for something different. They were ahead of IE once but they watched on and did nothing whilst they had their pockets lined up with Google's money and allowed them (Google) to overtake everyone and now everyone is complaining about it. It even goes…

I can't remember the last time I saw a website that was broken specifically on Firefox, maybe like 2009 era perhaps?

Google Earth

Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't remember the last time I saw a website that was broken specifically on Firefox, maybe like 2009 era perhaps?

Google Earth

I didn't realise that was even still a thing!

That seems like it'd be google nerfing other browsers, they're pretty anticompetitive. If it doesn't work in FF and is still maintained I bet if you change the browser identity to pretend it's chrome it'd probably work.

Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?

#36
The chromium-only web is not google’s fault. It is a symptom of a body of web standards that has grown wild to the point of being all but unimplementable.

Building a browser for the modern standards-based web is effectively impossible, because it costs too much, takes too long, and requires a standing army to keep up with.

We are at an impasse. The standards cannot be deprecated because they are used all over the web, and because they are used all over the web a new browser maker has little choice except forking chromium or firefox. Even microsoft couldn’t afford to keep adding all the standards to their browser engine. Normally the solution for a messy overgrown implementation is a grand reboot. But we can’t do a grand reboot of the web because we cannot get rid of the legacy. The only viable strategy I see to have real browser engine diversity without giving up on compatibility is moving as much of the standards implementation as possible into JS modules, so new browser makers can start with a small engine that loads the publicly hosted standards modules.

Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't remember the last time I saw a website that was broken specifically on Firefox, maybe like 2009 era perhaps?

Google Earth

I just tried it in FF and it works fine

System requirements for Google Earth

- Google Chrome 67, Firefox 63, Edge 79, or Safari 11.

- Make sure that you turn on hardware acceleration.

But I do know that Apple Business Manager wont run - not sure why as it seems to be a fairly basic interface and says Firefox is supported, but yea I have to use Chrome for that

Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?

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post #8

We did this on ourselves. As everyone was laughing at Internet Explorer, another behemoth was overtaking IE and nothing was in their way. Mozilla (Firefox) was our chance for something different. They were ahead of IE once but they watched on and did nothing whilst they had their pockets lined up with Google's money and allowed them (Google) to overtake everyone and now everyone is complaining about it. It even goes…

I can't remember the last time I saw a website that was broken specifically on Firefox, maybe like 2009 era perhaps?

Youtube was extremely slow on firefox a few years back, because of non-standard web technologies designed by google for chrome A lot of video conferencing software is also purposely broken on firefox (slack, teams etc...) others like whereby work fine, but slack and teams are both massive

Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?

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We don't have to speculate, we've been through this already during the IE4 to IE6 era. Microsoft just did whatever they wanted with the web "platform", and so will Google. In Microsoft's case what they wanted was nothing . They weren't a web business, saw it as a threat to their platform leverage, and so just left it abandoned and stagnant for years. Google is simultaneously better and worse: they won't leave it stag…

Ajax?

Re: What will a Chromium-only Web look like?

#40

If there is only one implementation, then whichever body (private, public, for profit, not for profit, doesn't matter) controls this implementation will control the direction of the entire web. It's the definition of consolidation and monopoly control. There is no reasonable argument to make for a Chromium only web from anyone without vested interests.

It's open source. Anyone can fork it.
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