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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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The title downplays this a lot. The first sentence in the article reads "Any extramarital sexual encounter (...) could result in a seven-year jail sentence." That usually means any sexual relation outside of marriage is forbidden, even between life partners.

I wonder how they would verify that with foreigners, especially those with a history of poor record-keeping. I surmise that there must be at least a couple of countries where a marriage certificate is nothing more than a plain sheet of copy paper with something along the lines of "I hereby declare that X and Y are married" in their local legalese. Although I can't help but snicker at the image of a bunch of poor cops…

I think I’ve mentioned it here before but I once traveled to a country with laws hostile to LGBTQ+ people with three friends: another hetero woman and two gay men who were a couple. For safety reasons we pretended we were two hetero couples which included checking into our hotel rooms as “couples”.

Unbeknownst to us there was also a law that unmarried heterosexual couples couldn’t share hotel accommodations. In some places this meant the men had to share a room and the women had to share a room because, when asked, we couldn’t provide a marriage certificate. (Ironically their strict enforcement of the law intended to prevent premarital sex would have the opposite effect.) But in some hotels the way they got around this was to simply note that we were married. Often without even asking. And in one instance when things got a bit dicey the hotel manager was sufficiently satisfied of our “marriage” by seeing the receipts of our other hotel stays.

All of that is to say I got the impression it’s a very subjective and selectively enforced thing.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Probably not, Qatar is mostly sunni islam.

http://nirmukta.com/2011/10/13/misyar-temporary-marriage-in-... A quick Google tells me they probably practice temporary marriage as well but call it something else (and details differ). Anyone actually knowledgeable, please chime in.

In rules of sunni islam, a woman can't get remarried after a divorce for at least 4 and a half months (to wait for unexpected pregnancies to show). Making the practice of "temporary marriage" very impractical.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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> The players are comfortable enough to say no Not if saying no risks ending your career. You don't become a pro football player and play in the world cup just for thr money.

There’s other ways to be bought than money. Very few athletes have risked their careers to take a stand or do the right thing. Their sincerity is really undercut by never taking a risk. Unless they’re just part of the bread and circuses… “Xxx is bad, unless it hurts me” isn’t a defensible moral position. Better they drop the sermonizing if it’s just feel good.

>Very few athletes have risked their careers to take a stand or do the right thing. Their sincerity is really undercut by never taking a risk.

This is a job for them. And most come from poor backgrounds with families to support. How many of us would stand up right now and call out our employers in public for doing evil things? Not many. We've got mortgages to pay and kids to feed. Ultimately they just want to get paid and go home, like anyone else.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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That might be your problem, not theirs. They could jail anyone they aren't sure about

Yeah, some people are so used to "my rights" that they forget there are places where you don't have any.

Nitpick, but everyone has rights. The difference is there are many places that don't protect them or otherwise infringe upon your ability to exercise them.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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FIFA can only operate this way as long as the country organizations tolerate it, it’s interesting how something like sports that is commonly considered as representing a country is so massively corrupt and everybody is ok with it (and I’m thinking of the big sponsors, where you probably have massive background checks to get hired, but it’s alright to invest in such organizations)

They are setup to defend against it, Several countries have reacted against the blatant corruption and Fifa will instantly suspend them for political interference.

Well then they should leave. If corruption is such a no-no in the EU, US, etc., and businesses like Mastercard and Heineken, then this would have to become a tournament of the Qatars and Chinas of the world.

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This is where ethics and money collide. If you participate, you’re complicit. The players are comfortable enough to say no, and the punters can stick to the local pub or even bite hard and “stay home” entirely - let the advertisers know. Talk it cheap. Actions mean more but both have costs. Willing to pay?

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Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Not really. Norway has pubs and restaurants though, and I imagine has a higher threshold for “being drunk” than Qatar edit: huh I mixed up my middle-east countries I think, I didn't realise you could normally go out for a beer. I still think that suggesting the two places are equivalent is a little bit of a stretch though.

You can drink in rooms, bars and restaurants in hotels, home bars in Qatar. Police do check for drunk driving. Haven't seen too many drunk people, but I assume if you are not causing others to complain, you would be fine.

This is how it is in other Gulf countries (if you are not causing anyone to complain it's basically ignored) and honestly I don't see why Western countries are so tolerant. If you are a taxi driver in the US taking drunk people home, and they are talking abusively to you, you pretty much have to just suck it up.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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post #93

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FIFA can only operate this way as long as the country organizations tolerate it, it’s interesting how something like sports that is commonly considered as representing a country is so massively corrupt and everybody is ok with it (and I’m thinking of the big sponsors, where you probably have massive background checks to get hired, but it’s alright to invest in such organizations)

They are setup to defend against it, Several countries have reacted against the blatant corruption and Fifa will instantly suspend them for political interference.

> countries have reacted against the blatant corruption and Fifa will instantly suspend them for political interference

the U.S. has shown it’s more than capable of holding FIFA to account when it wants to [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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It is not about the Kafala system, since even the West has similar systems. It is that they treat migrant workers that are not highly skilled specially from specific backgrounds bad.

In Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, and elsewhere in the region migrant workers have their passport taken by the employer and thus can’t leave the country. They are stuck. In most other countries the employer does not confiscate your passport. It’s weird to me that one needs a passport to leave a country. In the U.S. you don’t need a passport to leave.

Makes me think that the home countries are fairly complicit. Any country with robust consular services wouldn’t allow that to happen.

The US state department is happy to let governments know that US passports are property of the US government and may only be held under very limited circumstances. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/51.7#:~:text=CFR-,%C....

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Interesting interview on the radio here in the UK a few weeks ago with a famous climber who went to Saudi Arabia I think to compete after much moral deliberation. He did say that every native he spoke to was very grateful for his attendance, people travelling and participating in these sorts of events is an effective way to bring change and open peoples eyes, mainly through his insistence there were female climbers c…

It could bring change and open people's eyes, but it can also be used to legitimize and normalize a regime that shouldn't.

> it can also be used to legitimize and normalize a regime that shouldn't

Saudi Arabia and Qatar aren’t going anywhere if they can’t get World Cups.

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