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Re: TITO: Electric Argentine car

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Post by robocat »

imtringued wrote: post #135
systemvoltage wrote: post #77

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Yea, I think there is a general malaise in certain laptop class / elite class people. First of all, Fossil fuels are the most incredible thing mankind has ever invented. It lead to population increase and saved millions of lives, possibly hundrends of millions of lives. It has enabled everything from agriculture, mining to industrialization and medicine. If there is one thing that has had a profound positive impact o…

>First of all, Fossil fuels are the most incredible thing mankind has ever invented. Humanity didn't invent fossil fuels, they were already there when we discovered them and we haven't figured out how to make them ourselves in the quantity we need. This type of lazy thinking, where you pretending the work of someone else is entirely your effort when you literally can't replicate it and are even proud that you can't r…

How we obtain fossil fuels is a technological marvel, followed by transport and processing as two more marvels. Crude oil is not that useful.

Re: TITO: Electric Argentine car

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Post by schiffern »

yrgulation wrote: post #36
gambiting wrote: post #12

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I got a Volkswagen e-UP recently, and it's incredible for what it is - 160 miles of electric range, small, very nimble, large enough for 4 people and some stuff in the back - it's perfect. I have a much larger much more comfortable SUV too, but the e-UP is my car of choice recently. It costs £1.50 for a full charge too - less than a litre of petrol.

Somehow the e-up wasn't on my radar until your comment now. Thanks for sharing your experience. I mostly ask uber drivers about their experience with full evs as they push them to their limits, and most drove nissan leaf or renault zoe. At least those i met, and were _very_ happy with them. I was told that even cars with >200km once the batteries are replaced they drive like new. Pretty impressive. But i think even t…

If you want something smaller, in Amsterdam I'd see these regularly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canta_(vehicle)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOIrBqt21c4

Re: TITO: Electric Argentine car

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Post by j_mo »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #98
kragen wrote: post #87

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If Coradir did "develop a battery bank platform, motor train and all the associated electronics" then why are they reselling a Chinese design? Are the Chinese manufacturers using the Coradir-developed battery bank platform, motor train, and electronics?

Has anyone actually verified it's the same car? They only mildly resemble eachother IMO. That said, Coradir's site seems to be a lot of rebranded gadgets so it wouldn't surprise me, but I haven't seen any actual proof of this, just speculation based on cars looking similar.

https://ar.motor1.com/news/480616/tito-probo-en-potrero-de-l...

> The only official image published by Coradir Automotores shows the Tito with the original Today Sunshine M1 grille

Looks like they're importing them but with their own styling changes, and originally posted an unmodified Sunshine M1 on their website.

Re: TITO: Electric Argentine car

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

standardUser wrote: post #117
nus07 wrote: post #11

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Wasn’t the Nissan Leaf initially something like that ? I knew a bunch of friends who were buying 2-3 years old used Leafs for about 9k and using it for urban driving or daily commute .

The Nissan Leaf is the most underrated car in the world. It's perfectly suitable for a vast majority of the trips Americans make by car and it's ridiculously economical (especially if purchased used). I don't think there are any rational reasons why it's not the most popular car in America.

>The Nissan Leaf is the most underrated car in the world. It's perfectly suitable for a vast majority of the trips Americans make by car and it's ridiculously economical (especially if purchased used).

>I don't think there are any rational reasons why it's not the most popular car in America.

It's still a subcompact. For the hordes and hordes of people who need a tad more utility out of a vehicle it just doesn't work without a level of compromise that is solidly into "yeah, F that" territory when you're paying new car money.

Furthermore, it's only economical to buy used because it's not super popular even on the used market. If it was they wouldn't be so cheap.

And I say this as someone who would own one yesterday if it could out "utility vehicle" a 1990s Taurus wagon. The execution is great but the concept that was executed is ill suited to what most people want in a car.

All subcompact hatches in the US market suffer from this.

Re: TITO: Electric Argentine car

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Post by adolfojp »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #113
adolfojp wrote: post #100

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My eyes can tell they're the same. If you look at the cars without bias you'll agree. https://argentinareports.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/60dd... https://argentinareports.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/tito... https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/MINI-Smart-Electric-C... The cars are exactly alike in size, shape, proportion, body, etc., except for some minor cosmetic changes in the front grill.

What "bias"? I'm not Argentinian, I couldn't care less if they made it or not. There's clear differences even in the photos you provided. Obviously the front grill, but the lights are also a different shape, with the TITO more angular. The door frame is different, it looks like the TITO has a larger piece of chrome on the part you open. I'm sure there's other differences there if I were to look at different angles of…

At this point I have to assume that you're not arguing in good faith but for the sake of being argumentative. Have a good day.

Re: TITO: Electric Argentine car

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Post by porbelm »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #144
standardUser wrote: post #117

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The Nissan Leaf is the most underrated car in the world. It's perfectly suitable for a vast majority of the trips Americans make by car and it's ridiculously economical (especially if purchased used). I don't think there are any rational reasons why it's not the most popular car in America.

>The Nissan Leaf is the most underrated car in the world. It's perfectly suitable for a vast majority of the trips Americans make by car and it's ridiculously economical (especially if purchased used). >I don't think there are any rational reasons why it's not the most popular car in America. It's still a subcompact. For the hordes and hordes of people who need a tad more utility out of a vehicle it just doesn't work…

The amount of people who /think/ they need more utility than a subcompact outnumber and the amount who actually do quite severely.

Subcompact with tow ball so you can rent a small hanger for the few times you need more space for, say, a washing machine or fridge is so much better than an F-something size truck.

Oh, I forgot about stupid U.S. towing codes, nvm.

Re: TITO: Electric Argentine car

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

porbelm wrote: post #146
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #144

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>The Nissan Leaf is the most underrated car in the world. It's perfectly suitable for a vast majority of the trips Americans make by car and it's ridiculously economical (especially if purchased used). >I don't think there are any rational reasons why it's not the most popular car in America. It's still a subcompact. For the hordes and hordes of people who need a tad more utility out of a vehicle it just doesn't work…

The amount of people who /think/ they need more utility than a subcompact outnumber and the amount who actually do quite severely. Subcompact with tow ball so you can rent a small hanger for the few times you need more space for, say, a washing machine or fridge is so much better than an F-something size truck. Oh, I forgot about stupid U.S. towing codes, nvm.

Oh come on. It's not a "need" thing. It's a "societal expectations" thing.

I don't "need" more utility than a small station wagon but the nanosecond I cram three kids into the back or slap some plywood on the roof 99.999% of the people telling me I don't "need" a modern crossover are going to be hand wringing hard enough to start a fire. God forbid I put a half dozen square of shingles or bags of concrete back there at which point I become a menace to society. I do it anyway because the kind of people who tend to care are not the kind of people who's opinions I tend to care about. But that doesn't scale.

Re: TITO: Electric Argentine car

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

L_226 wrote: post #138
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #137

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There is no future of these cars. Making electric cars is very much a "trying to make a faster horse" situation. In the future people will use electric vehicles in formats we haven't invented yet and can't even imagine. P.S. Personally I use an EUC ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rlw6fDmcQM&t=1s ) for commuting and errands, but that's just me.

Banned in Germany :( electric vehicles must have 2 independent mechanical brakes.

I'm sure society collectively will eventually figure out the correct form-factor and legislation for electric vehicles. I don't know what we'll eventually settle on, but I'm sure it won't look like hydrocarbon-powered cars with electric engines.

(German legislation actually doesn't make much sense because electric scooters are in fact less safe than EUCs; scooters don't require skill to ride, but they fail more often and in more spectacular ways.)

Re: TITO: Electric Argentine car

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Post by chiefalchemist »

sjcoles wrote: post #54
chiefalchemist wrote: post #21

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You're not alone. I thought we'd be there by now. But at this point in the USA the tipping point seems to be having short distance autonomous mode such that you can order a car and it will deliver itself to your door. That said, it's also telling the fed gov has made little to no effort to promote such an idea. Thanks Big Oil?

That just sounds like public transport with more steps.

Nah. It sounds like personal transportation without the overhead of ownership, maintenance, time wasted waiting for the bus, etc.

If there's an underutilized resource in the First World, it's automobiles. They probably spend on average 22 or 23 hours of 24 hours doing nothing. Just sitting there. Uber-izing your own driving could change that, without exploiting under-paid drivers.

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