A squashed mini.
It looks to me exactly like a golf cart that had a body kit put on it. Same proportions.
TITO: Electric Argentine car
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#72may be i'm spoiled by US market, yet it looks like a pretty high price for pretty underwhelming specs: "The basic edition costs around USD $16,500 and you’ll pay around $18,250 if you want air conditioning. ... “TITO” is a 2.83 meter long, three-door urban car, with enough space for four people. It has a 4.5 kWh powered electric motor which receives its energy from a lithium battery with an eight kWh capacity. "
What are the US market examples at a similar price point or lower with same or better specs?
The Arcimoto FUV (https://www.arcimoto.com/fuv) starts at $18,000, can actually manage highway speeds (unlike the TITO), and has a roll cage built to match US passenger car standards.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
this reminds me of the companies that have claimed to be the "manufacturer" of an electric motorcycle but are in fact importing a knocked down kit of electric motorcycle parts from an alibaba vendor in china.
I mean, if they make the frame themselves, I don't see the issue. It's like saying that the the first Buells weren't made by Buell because they had a Harley engine and Ohlins suspension.
most of them import the frame too, the difference is on the decals and maybe some plastic body pieces only
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It doesn't even have a trunk, so not really useful for groceries either Is this usually a limiting factor for people? I've always put my groceries on the back seats or back floor, even if I have a trunk.
It depends on how large a family you are shopping for, and if you need to bring little kids with you when you go. A family trip without a trunk means no room at all for groceries.
Sure it's a limiting factor if you're bringing the whole family grocery shopping, but that's probably less than 5% of all car users.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Remember that the minimum wage here is around USD 200 Q: 200 USD over what time period?
They meant monthly, though it's not quite that low. According to Reuters[0], the national minimum wage as of this month is 45,540 (around 368 USD), and it will be increased again in August. [0]: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentina-accelerates...
That's because the article uses the "oficial" usd exchange rate (~130 argentine pesos per dollar) that don't includes taxes. With taxes its ~200 per dollar. So, the minimun wage Is ~220
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#76Please give me more options like this in North America. I'd love something like this as the urban run-around to do quick errands that can't be done on foot or via transit. Something under $20K with enough range for a day of driving around. Even better, make it a shared vehicle and I'll just pay a membership to grab one from a lot around the corner for a few hours.
An Urban Arrow?
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
We should build a dyson sphere and get humanity to a Type II Kardeshev scale. Instead, the future looks like eating crickets, climate alarmicism, living in mobile pods and feeling good about driving 2 seater eco-cars. Sad.
So whats the plan? Keep doing what we are doing? I am not the hippie type, but we simply cant continue this way. I strongly disagree with people that say we need less creature comforts in order to improve our ways of managing the environment. I think we should aim for even more mobility, even more living space, even more food, but with much more care about our environment. Whats the worse that can happen? We get to b…
Yea, I think there is a general malaise in certain laptop class / elite class people. First of all, Fossil fuels are the most incredible thing mankind has ever invented. It lead to population increase and saved millions of lives, possibly hundrends of millions of lives. It has enabled everything from agriculture, mining to industrialization and medicine. If there is one thing that has had a profound positive impact on humans, that is Fossil Fuels. But ask anyone that they'll want to murder you for saying what I just said even though I haven't said a peep about carbon emissions.
The malaise from people/media is separating Non-renewability of FF + negative aspect of carbon emissions from the benefits of FF. So the first thing is to remove the militant climate alarmicism and focus on solutions.
Here is EU backpeddling the climate agenda that didn't have a sound backbone, this is what happens: https://www.ft.com/content/a8b179e2-b565-42b6-bb41-90aea4453...
Second, we need to adopt a radical pro-energy agenda that transforms us from FF-mix to renewable-mix. Here is what the current Democratic party can do (but they won't): https://twitter.com/JonSpearman24/status/1539044975429681152
Third, push back on people that want depopulation, regression of life, reduction of standards, "equity" based resource usage, etc under the name of ESG, Climate Change, etc.
The entire thing is a philosophical and political headwind. We could solve climate change completely and utterly if we invest in technology and build like a gazillion nuclear power plants.
It makes me wonder if the malaise is not rooted in facts, but the elite/laptop class that wants to crush lower class into depopulation for their own benefits (their kids would have a less competition for resources for survival).
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
>copy of a chinese "Today Sunshine M1" copy as in someone in Argentina Reverse engineered Chinese EV and is manufacturing it? or rebadge of Chinese made car while claiming to be "100% Argentine car" like that scam https://www.thelocal.se/20220129/hyped-swedish-car-start-up-...
Knowing Argentina's history with currency control, parallels economies and punitive import duties, it's probably the later where some insiders are pocketing the difference by claiming the car is "made in Argentina" (but is illegally imported from China). If you can't compete, slap duties!
That's not how it works here. You import things legally from China—not only without the punitive import duties applied to finished products but actually at the currency-control-subsidized exchange rate, so you get a 40% discount courtesy of the central bank—assemble them in Argentina, slap an eagle sticker on them that says "Industria Argentina", and sell them domestically while enjoying the punitive-import-duty protection from foreign companies, all 100% legally.
The only tricky part is that if the ruling party decides they don't like you, they'll 100% legally deny you the authorization to buy the dollars you need to import your parts. Then you're sunk: there's no legal way to import your parts, and as an aboveboard business you can't use parts you import illegally. So, better make sure you stay on their good side.
This is a big reason why our GDP is smaller now than it was ten years ago. We were already in a crisis before covid.
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#79Please give me more options like this in North America. I'd love something like this as the urban run-around to do quick errands that can't be done on foot or via transit. Something under $20K with enough range for a day of driving around. Even better, make it a shared vehicle and I'll just pay a membership to grab one from a lot around the corner for a few hours.
An Urban Arrow? https://na.urbanarrow.com/family-bikes/
That looks to me like another piece of cruft to get rid of, along with strollers and car seats, as soon as the kids are grown.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It doesn't even have a trunk, so not really useful for groceries either Is this usually a limiting factor for people? I've always put my groceries on the back seats or back floor, even if I have a trunk.
> I've always put my groceries on the back seats or back floor, even if I have a trunk. Why? Isn't it easier to a access the trunk?
It's just what my parents did, so it's what I do. It's no harder to access than a trunk on a four-door car.