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Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by OJFord »

kuhewa wrote: post #84
molszanski wrote: post #50

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Interesting. I am one year on mostly keto and lost all excessive fat and gained a lot (!) of muscle. And I seem to be burning fat and gain muscle at the same time. One thing to note, I am not sure why would you suggest to remove olive oil. All the research (I’ve seen) suggests that olive oil is really good for humans

Did you start sedentary and with a bit of extra weight? It would make sense if you started strength training at the same time and benefited from 'noob gains' Also the other fellow might be referencing EVOO's low smoke point, it's true there isn't much point using it for high heat cooking.

EVOO? Extra virgin especially low, and also a waste of money using it for cooking. I don't use even cheap olive oil for anything hotter than say medium-high frying or grilling. Unless you're in Italy, where perhaps it's (at the low end) dominant cheap oil, otherwise (or if olivey flavour not desired) I'd suggest something cheap flavourless & high-smoke point, exactly what varies by region - sunflower, rapeseed, mustard, whatever.

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Post by s-lambert »

anentropic wrote: post #119
pas wrote: post #100

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the main claim of the authors is Lithium contamination causing obesity, their hypothesis is that sticking to potatoes can avoid that somehow

Do they discuss that elsewhere? I didn't see Lithium mentioned once in the linked article

The series of articles called A Chemical Hunger is where they discuss this and go over a variety of ideas around obesity, the series starts here and it's very long: https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-p...

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by s-lambert »

mrob wrote: post #116
cassianoleal wrote: post #74

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Quick back of the envelope numbers. At Tesco's you can get potatoes for £0.36/kg. 1kg = ~2.2lb, so ~£0.165/lb. Even at the higher daily consumption in this thread, 10lb/day, that's £1.65 daily cost of food. I imagine the only way to go cheaper is by dumpster diving.

Potatoes[0]: £0.36/770kcal[1] Rice[2]: £0.45/3650kcal[3] Pasta[4]: £0.46/3710kcal[5] Normalized to rice: Potatoes: 3.79 rice_cost_units/kcal Rice: 1.00 rice_cost_units/kcal Pasta: 1.01 rice_cost_units/kcal Tesco does not list calories for potatoes, and for the dry foods only provides calories for the cooked result, so I used values from the USDA nutrient database. The value for potatoes is optimistic, because the che…

Rice has a satiety index of 138 while potatoes have a satiety index of 323, almost 3 times as much. So you need to eat way less potatoes compared to rice, I don't know if it's a linear scale though but still probably brings potatoes pretty close to rice.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by fredsted »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #14
fredsted wrote: post #7

I don't doubt this works, but I'd rather do e.g. keto where I can eat delicious meals and still feel fully satiated.

I did this for a year. Its not sustainable, you'll loose muscle mass. I eat potatoes daily now, but not exclusively - complex carbs are harder to burn, so they are fattening, so I have gained some weight. Maybe I'll eliminate the rice and see how that goes. I'd recommend against olive oil and for coconut oil, frying potatoes needs a lot of heat. Add parsley, bacon, caraway, onions and serve with pickled white cabbage…

> Its not sustainable, you'll loose muscle mass.

It worked well for me, my endurance in e.g. cycling improved. However usually stay on it about half a year to lose extra weight and then go back to a "regular" diet.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by fredsted »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #81
fredsted wrote: post #7

I don't doubt this works, but I'd rather do e.g. keto where I can eat delicious meals and still feel fully satiated.

Can keto meals really be described as "delicious"? I mean, I love the taste of butter, cream, marbled steaks and pork fat, but when you have to consume whipping cream as a beverage it sounds absolutely nauseating.

I didn't consume whipping cream except when making sauces.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by fredsted »

Smaug123 wrote: post #8
fredsted wrote: post #7

I don't doubt this works, but I'd rather do e.g. keto where I can eat delicious meals and still feel fully satiated.

Good for you! Keto doesn't work like that for me. We need many different diets that work for some people, because no diet works for everyone.

I agree, keto is probably uniquely suited for my lifestyle and tastes. YMMV as they say.

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Post by dgfitz »

notahacker wrote: post #64
dgfitz wrote: post #45

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> an intentionally deficient diet Aren’t all diets whose goal is weight loss “intentionally deficient” ?

There's a difference between "slightly too few calories to sustain current weight level" and "total absence of certain essential nutrients meaning the body can't grow or indeed adequately replenish cells regardless of the mass of food consumed"

So, yes?

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by causi »

zikduruqe wrote: post #128
infofarmer wrote: post #29

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> Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. To clarify: modern science estimates 300–1000 species in gut microbiota, 99% by number of cells coming from 30-40 species. The total number of microbial and viral cells throughout a healthy adult body is estimated at over 100 trillion, or roughly 10x the number of one's own body cells. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_microbiota

And for all your bro-dieters out there eating a "paleo" diet, realize that our Paleolithic friends ate mostly plants. The Hadza tribe is one of our last living examples and their gut biome is amazing. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/08/24/5456315... https://www.wired.com/2014/04/hadza-hunter-gatherer-gut-micr...

That would depend on your ancestry. If you're European, yes. If you're, say, Inuit, your ancestors ate mostly meat and fat.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by causi »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #117
keyle wrote: post #18

One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…

I'm a big believer in the idea that diet can influence the microbiome but current science does not support the above statements. While diet can induce a shift in the gut microbiota, these changes appear to be temporary. Whether prolonged dietary changes can induce permanent alterations in the gut microbiota is unknown https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6950569/#:~:tex... I am unaware of dietary induced lact…

I'm always baffled at how China is largely lactose-intolerant while also being ground-zero for weird milk drinks.
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