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Re: Potato diet community trial

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i consider myself a potato connoisseur. i have been eating and loving potatoes ever since i can remember and even before as far as my family can tell me. "don't you get bored from eating potatoes"? i am asked on a regular basis. my answer is a standard "potatoes are life, potatoes are my comfort food. now get off my lawn" edit: i am willing to do an all potato diet but its not like i hate anything else, i just cant h…

What are your top 2 favorite potatoes?

1. Pink-eyes

Re: Potato diet community trial

#92
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think OP was suggesting that being overweight was healthy or that losing weight was bad. They merely suggested that weight loss does not occur as a result of a healthy diet, but rather as a result of an intentionally deficient diet (technically an "unhealthy" diet). That you can lose weight eating only potatoes is therefore not very interesting and does not imply that the diet is healthy.

There's nothing inherently unhealthy about being in a temporary state of negative energy flux (unless you are already underweight or deficient in an essential mineral or something)

That being true, it could well be that a "Potato Only Diet" is effective for weight loss not because of the reduced energy intake, nor because of some subtlety in how our gut or our metabolism deals with an only starch diet for a while, but instead because potatoes lack micronutrient X or inhibit its absorption and a symptom of X deficiency is losing weight. That could be unhealthy.

I don't have an opinion either way and I don't think this is a likely reason, but it is a possibility.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#93
post #4

> It sounds like a dumb gimmick that could never work, but there are a surprising number of people out there saying that they tried it, it worked for them, and they kept the weight off for months or even years after. Losing weight isn't causal to being healthy. In most cases it correlates because gaining weight is usually done through eating unhealthy (excess calories, refined sugars, etc.) so going on a healthy diet…

> Losing weight isn't causal to being healthy. Except that's not how it works. An excess of fat can directly cause problems. Above a certain point, having too much fat causes chronic hypoxia in fatty tissue, leading to chronic inflammation, which can eventually lead to systemic problems like insulin resistance, cardiovascular disease, kidney failure, liver disease, and cancer. Edit: I am specifically referring to abd…

Adopting a diet that deprives an overweight person of necessary vitamins and nutrients will not improve their health but will deteriorate it as now alongside all of the health problems they had their body can't function properly.

Adopting a diet that balances nutrients and calories and also provides all needed vitamins will lead to weight loss and health improvement (in most cases).

Re: Potato diet community trial

#94
I haven't seen it mentioned in the post, but it is worth mentioning that (boiled) potatoes have the highest satiety index [1] among common foods.

  The highest SI score was produced by boiled potatoes (323 +/- 51%) which was seven-fold higher than the lowest SI score of the croissant (47 +/- 17%)
[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7498104/

edit: added (boiled)

Re: Potato diet community trial

#96
post #18

One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…

I've been off milk and dairy for about 4 years now and my wife accidentally bought me a vegetarian pizza - I thought I'd have some bad stomach or something but I was actually fine (notwithstanding existential dread).

Obviously everyone will react differently.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#97
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I am one year on mostly keto and lost all excessive fat and gained a lot (!) of muscle. And I seem to be burning fat and gain muscle at the same time. One thing to note, I am not sure why would you suggest to remove olive oil. All the research (I’ve seen) suggests that olive oil is really good for humans

Did you start sedentary and with a bit of extra weight? It would make sense if you started strength training at the same time and benefited from 'noob gains' Also the other fellow might be referencing EVOO's low smoke point, it's true there isn't much point using it for high heat cooking.

My sport is cycling, when I started on keto my power metrics jumped up, from an FTP of about 220 W in August 2021 to currently 276 W, where it's plateaued for the last few months. My legs are also visibly much bigger and harder.

I get the feeling that it is possible to gain muscle on keto, it's just being low-carb doesn't lend itself to high-intensity efforts, so at some point you just can't put out enough effort to damage your muscles any further.

I've recently starting eating carbs on days where I'm doing 80+ km and the difference is astonishing, I've set PRs up hills at the end of 100 km rides and I'm approaching being able to do 100 km solo at 32 km/h, where before on strict keto I'd start getting very lethargic after just 50 km.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#98

This title is fairly disingenuous considering the test subjects are using vitamin supplements to make up for the obvious deficiency. The weight loss bits are just silly. Any sustained caloric deficit will cause one to lose fat, regardless of the source. This just seems to be rediscovering the already well-known fact that complex carbohydrates (which potatoes provide) keep you better satiated than simple carbohydrates…

The purpose of this random Internet trial is to verify or disprove the assertion that this diet is easy to stick to for most people , which would be absolutely massive if true because no weight-loss diet ever has had this property. And it seems to have done very well at that purpose: four weeks later, only about 10% of the cohort were still doing it.

Lots of diets are "easy to stick to", for the short term, which 4 weeks definitely is. E.g. Keto, Intermittent Fasting, etc.

Most people fall off diets in the longer term, and there are various causes, including hunger, but also including things like wanting to be able to partake in social events that feature other foods.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#99
post #85

Hot take: Just eat a balanced meal, traditional meals are usually good, anything homemade in moderation, as long as it has veggies, protein, and some fresh veggies rich in vitamins every now and then. Drink water, eat in moderation, and see a doctor if you have issues with it (there are plenty of issues which can cause a misbehaved appetite). And please, for the love of god, don't do any "only X" diets. Just eat bala…

> Just eat balanced and go outside every now and then

Hot take: If it were that easy, obesity wouldn't exist.

People are different, their metabolism works at different rates, they might have sensitivity to different foods, and not everyone has the chance or resources to solve the likely psychological issues related to the condition (either cause of, or caused by) - which are often the hardest ones.

Diets can provide some direction, and are useful in a number of situations. You can't tell a prediabetic person to "just eat balanced", because that will not work - they need a precise diet to survive and possibly revert the condition.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#100
post #85

Hot take: Just eat a balanced meal, traditional meals are usually good, anything homemade in moderation, as long as it has veggies, protein, and some fresh veggies rich in vitamins every now and then. Drink water, eat in moderation, and see a doctor if you have issues with it (there are plenty of issues which can cause a misbehaved appetite). And please, for the love of god, don't do any "only X" diets. Just eat bala…

the main claim of the authors is Lithium contamination causing obesity, their hypothesis is that sticking to potatoes can avoid that somehow
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