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Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Post by R0b0t1 »

pr0zac wrote: post #561
R0b0t1 wrote: post #155

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But there's so many men out there that woman can probably find someone , at least in a normal-ish city. Most men get zilch. I think we're seeing some of the less obvious effects of that now. Men don't get to have a sexual exploration or slut phase and this is... who knows, stunting their emotional growth? Among other things. As each sex gets older, women tend to accumulate more experience, and mock men who may be lac…

The statistics disagree. Men on average have sex earlier[1] and with more people during their lifetime[2][3] and a higher percentage of people find theres negative stigma surrounding women having a high number of partners than men having a low number[4]. 1: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s.htm#sexualact... 2: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n.htm#numberlif... 3: https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/…

I've found either matching numbers, small difference (as you seem to be citing?), or skew in favor of women having more partners for 90s-00s cohorts. The stigma surrounding people with a high number of partners is something I've seen applied to both, and statistically, it does seem to invert marriage length.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Post by mcv »

EUROCARE wrote: post #636
mcv wrote: post #595

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By CEE do you mean the European Economic Community? Or are you referring to eastern European communism? I don't know how the situation was there, but in western Europe, people could absolutely afford to at least rent in their 20s. My grandparents, who weren't rich at all (my granddad was a nurse) could afford a very large house, and my parents could afford to buy a fairly large house when they were 34. And I know tha…

CEE refers to Central and Eastern Europe, so countries such as GDR, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland. The situation was bad . It wasn't legal to rent.

Fair enough. But communist countries, especially towards the 1980s when they were basically bankrupt, is rather a special case. In western, northern and much of central Europe, the situation was quite different.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Post by EUROCARE »

mcv wrote: post #642
EUROCARE wrote: post #636

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CEE refers to Central and Eastern Europe, so countries such as GDR, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland. The situation was bad . It wasn't legal to rent.

Fair enough. But communist countries, especially towards the 1980s when they were basically bankrupt, is rather a special case. In western, northern and much of central Europe, the situation was quite different.

For sure, but that means the original claim

> People in their 20s having their own digs is, I think, a decidedly American phenomenon. In most of the poorer parts of the world (including, for example, Central and Eastern Europe), 30+ years ago younger crowd managed to have sex just fine, using dorm rooms, snatching time while parents were away, etc. My 2c.

is true then. It's only talking about the situation in the poorer parts of the world and not elsewhere, and gives CEE in 1980s as an example.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Post by cryptica »

stuckinhell wrote: post #490
cryptica wrote: post #151

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Reading stuff like this makes me really glad that I married my first girlfriend. We've been married for over 10 years now. She was really out of my league. I did compromise on many things including age gap (she is older), past baggage and the fact that I have to let her win every argument and do everything she says but I'm glad because she was the opportunity of my life and I took it and I've never been so lucky sinc…

If the following is true and not hyperbole: "and the fact that I have to let her win every argument and do everything she says" You are in an abusive relationship.

It used to be difficult when we started dating but now not so much. She keeps getting better over time. She just can't control her emotions when things get heated. I'm basically the opposite; it's easy for me to detach from my emotions and take a step back.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

kube-system wrote: post #288
shrikant wrote: post #168

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At least for the "top 5% of men" thing, it's an oft-repeated meme on this forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... In fact, it gets repeated so frequently in threads/topics like this one, that I wonder if the true origin of this "statistic" is in fact some of the... more interesting corners of Reddit/4chan.

OkCupid's blog posted similar statistics back in the day.

Can you link to some?

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Post by [deleted] »

orangepurple wrote: post #184
shrikant wrote: post #168

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At least for the "top 5% of men" thing, it's an oft-repeated meme on this forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... In fact, it gets repeated so frequently in threads/topics like this one, that I wonder if the true origin of this "statistic" is in fact some of the... more interesting corners of Reddit/4chan.

Run your own experiment if you don't believe me. On the Internet, nobody knows you are a dog. Burner SIM cards for verification are cheap too.

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Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Post by spacemanmatt »

orangepurple wrote: post #225
orangepurple wrote: post #199

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Disenfranchised social groups form support groups to cope.

@shadowgovt I agree that many communities labled as such engage in self-destructive behavior. It may even be psychologically similar to the mentality of a suicide bomber.

i'm not sure i would compare a person coached to despair so hard that they would sacrifice their life to a person seduced by their cope club into staying in the cope club.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Post by Balgair »

ouid wrote: post #453
rsynnott wrote: post #238

I don't think the data they have is really as compelling as they think. It's self-reported from the National Opinion Research Center mostly. The trouble with self-reporting on things like sex is that (a) people lie about sex a lot and (b) social attitudes determine in what way people lie about sex. If you watch a sitcom from the 90s or early noughties, the idea that someone mightn't have had sex for _a few months_ is…

This "article" is an example of highly motivated reasoning. The first potential cause that he proposes of this "decades long 'phenomenon'" (yes, I'm doubing up on air quotes, sue me) is social distancing. Since the actual text is nonsense, I think it is reasonable to substitute it with the subtext, "Men aren't men and haven't been since 1950, and it's because of the democrats". He's free to write an article about thi…

Just want to point out two things when it comes towards viewing the 'recent' past in terms of 'manly men'.

1) Smoking increase testosterone levels in men [0]. As smoking levels have dropped, it is resonable to conclude that testosterone levels have too. It will be interesting to see the results of vaping on testosterone levels.

2) Obesity lowers testosterone. As the obesity epidemic clocks onward, testosterone levels will continue to fall.

I'm not going to claim that lower testosterone levels are population wide, or that smoking should come back, or that obesity doesn't have other effects. But I am claiming that there is something there and that it's not all smoke and mirrors (pardon the pun).

Our perceptions that 'manly men' have gone away in living memory are ... maybe true.

[0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24457405/

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3955331/

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Post by jbrun »

hooby wrote: post #293
jbrun wrote: post #21

Population implosion is going to be the biggest problem of our lives. It is one of those issues that creeps up progressively (like Global Warming), but will have cataclysmic impacts. Sex is a precursor to relationships and kids, if people don't have sex... Imagine 80% of the population is elderly and retired (or want to be retired) - that is where the world is heading by the end of the century. From 2018: https://www…

> Population implosion is going to be the biggest problem of our lives. While some current projections do predict a steep decline in population growth - it's still gonna take roughly a hundred years, just to reach zero growth. Which means we are looking at another 100 years of population actually still growing. If the trend continues unchanged, and population growth goes negative, it would take another 100 years just…

The projections you are referring to are out of date. We are already well below replacement rates globally.
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