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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by nomel »

drewbug01 wrote: post #224
nomel wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’ve repeatedly used “dog whistle” in your replies, along with “heard this rhetoric before”.

It’s true that I suspect the author views it as an annoyance or irrelevant, but I don’t know that the author holds actual malicious intent. Said differently: to me the dog-whistle seems to be “this annoying group that I don’t care about won’t leave me alone, they should shut up.” I don’t think that’s outright malicious, necessarily.

Do you agree with this definition of dog-whistle?

From urban dictionary: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dog+whistle

> Dog whistle is a type of strategy of communication that sends a message that the general population will take a certain meaning from, but a certain group that is "in the know" will take away the secret, intended message.

If so, then that means they're trying to signal a hidden message. From what you've said, I'm assuming that you believe that they're trying to hide the fact that they don't like LGBT people or messages to them. I think that is malicious. I think the non-malicious perspective of what they wrote is that they like product logos being used for visual identification of the product.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#242

Post by Banana699 »

Kye wrote: post #234
Banana699 wrote: post #231

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>People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence I didn't mix up the order of the two : >>some people reject your existence, and in response you politicise your whole existence is saying the same thing as >Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently. >The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space…

In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here, and they keep coming. Nazis put people like me in the camps. The "good guys" left people like me there. The famous book burning photo everyone, including people who hate people like me, loves to post in relation to free speech was substantially the books of an era equivalent queer center. Pride is about making you aware of this. The threat is real, and it's he…

>In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here

You assert this, then you proceed to describe the events of more than 75 years ago. Where exactly, in the countries you're allowed to hold pride parades today, are the nazis who want you in camps and prisons ? and how is obnoxiosly parading in the streets while wearing half-naked customs preventing those nazis from achieving what they want ?

If you mean by the nazis the countries that still imprison and persecute lgbt people today, how is holding pride parades outside their borders putting pressure on them ? if anything, it's even more justification for their actions ("See what these people do when they win ? Do not let them win at all costs").

Do you have any reason to believe that holding pride parades significantly, and positvely, affect the state of lgbt people anywhere ?

>There's a volley of legislative attacks on people like me at this very moment right here in the US

Is this another deadend conversation about how parents not wanting their children to hear about your sex life an attack on you ? Because it's not, and if you're going to argue otherwise then let us please end the conversation right here. Because I'm tired of explaining to lgbt folks that lack of visibility won't kill them, and that people have the choice not to accept your identity let alone to teach it to their children.

You're only owed 1 thing : Tolerance. The only obligation society has toward you when it comes to your identity is to not kill, imprison or otherwise materially harm you because of it, provided it doesn't involve breaking any laws. Society is not obligated to praise your identity. Society is not obligated to teach your identity to children. Society is not obligated to force people to let you in their life or into their businesses or into their children's public school curricula.

If you can't agree to that, then you don't respect people's choices and therefore yours don't deserve to be respected as well.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#243

Post by drewbug01 »

UkrainianJew wrote: post #240
drewbug01 wrote: post #203

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> So it's important to make a distinction between behaviors (e.g. allowing gay people to marry) and affiliation (like identity-based quotas and virtue signalling), because the former is rather hard to abuse, and the latter is an abuser magnet. This is a pretty odd statement. In any case: if you want to try and split hairs about this, that’s your call. What I’ll say is this: nobody seemed to care much about a “groomin…

>In any case: if you want to try and split hairs about this, that’s your call. What I’ll say is this: nobody seemed to care much about a “grooming” epidemic until a few months ago, and since then it’s only been about LGBTQ people. Not really. Mild and reasonable concerns have been raised on the right-wing websites for at least a year. The media swept it under the rug. Then the attention-seekers from the right side pi…

It’s interesting that you’re putting so much blame on the media here, when - as you said - “Then the attention-seekers from the right side picked it up and started exaggerating the issue to get visibility to their personas”.

> Mild and reasonable concerns

The concerns are not reasonable, and not mild. This idealistic “all orientations have this problem” take is blind to the fact that this is criticism leveled at the LGBTQ community for decades.

The media “swept it under the rug” because the association with LGBTQ people isn’t necessary to address the societal issue of sexual abuse. They rightfully didn’t want to revive the tired slurs of the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

> In others teaches will be financially incentivized to reach the quota of trans students, as it will be seen as helping people find their true identity.

This is just nonsense. I’ve been trying to engage in good faith so far, but the idea of “trans quotas” is completely ridiculous.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#244

Post by Kye »

Banana699 wrote: post #242
Kye wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here, and they keep coming. Nazis put people like me in the camps. The "good guys" left people like me there. The famous book burning photo everyone, including people who hate people like me, loves to post in relation to free speech was substantially the books of an era equivalent queer center. Pride is about making you aware of this. The threat is real, and it's he…

>In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here You assert this, then you proceed to describe the events of more than 75 years ago. Where exactly, in the countries you're allowed to hold pride parades today, are the nazis who want you in camps and prisons ? and how is obnoxiosly parading in the streets while wearing half-naked customs preventing those nazis from achieving what they want ? If you mean by the…

>> "Is this another deadend conversation about how parents not wanting their children to hear about your sex life an attack on you"

No.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#245

Post by drewbug01 »

_-david-_ wrote: post #228
drewbug01 wrote: post #197

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Quoted post unavailable.

The guy is literally saying he and others are falsely being accused of transphboia and somehow you think that is proof of transphobia? Amazing how I knew you wouldn't have any real posts of transphobia.

He redefined “transphobia” such that any accusation of transphobia against him would be laughable. In essence, he makes the argument that transphobia doesn’t exist and is a farce.

And to me, that’s transphobic in and of itself: categorically denying that it exists and asserting that any accusations of it against you are baseless.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#246

Post by sn9 »

pickovven wrote: post #75
dmkirwan wrote: post #31

The main question I have after reading this is: what 'bargain' is the author referring to? Apps change their logos all of the time, as is their right. The timing of this post is coincident with pride month, and many companies changing altering their logo to use the pride colors. I disagree with the suggestion that changing the color(s) of the logos and icons hinder the user's ability to find the app. A rainbow versio…

When someone complains about politics infiltrating a space but is unwilling to name the specific politics, suggesting it's a general principle, they very likely have a problem with the specific politics. They see social costs in voicing that opinion, so they generalize it to some principle. Hard to imagine a minor annoyance of logo design would otherwise justify a public post. Living in a pluralistic, multi-cultural…

Do you really think the reaction would be the same if instead they kept the neutral icon but donated a percentage of app fees to charities directly supporting the cause?

I genuinely think more people would be fine with that for the sorts of causes that come to mind.

I think people respect action but find virtue signalling without action annoying.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#247

Post by sn9 »

xisukar wrote: post #105
snowwrestler wrote: post #91

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Politicizing the person is something that happens to some people against their will. For example people don’t choose to be gay, it just happens like being tall or having blue eyes. But in Florida there is a law now saying teachers can’t talk about gay people in school. Totally still fine to talk about tall people, though. This is why “Pride Month” is a big deal but tall people month is not. Gay people didn’t choose t…

>But in Florida there is a law now saying teachers can’t talk about gay people in school. If only you weren't misrepresenting the Parental Rights in Education bill[1] you'd have a point. There's no reason why a teacher needs to discuss sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. with kindergartens, be that heterosexual or homosexual. That's a private matter that has no place in a classroom, less so in primary grad…

Teachers talk to kids about families all the time to illustrate ideas or just to build relationships.

What happens when a student has two dads or two moms?

Homosexuality isn't some abstract idea. Gays have kids and nephews and nieces.

The same goes for all those other topics. There are developmentally appropriate ways of talking about most of them.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#248

Post by dragonwriter »

xisukar wrote: post #105
snowwrestler wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politicizing the person is something that happens to some people against their will. For example people don’t choose to be gay, it just happens like being tall or having blue eyes. But in Florida there is a law now saying teachers can’t talk about gay people in school. Totally still fine to talk about tall people, though. This is why “Pride Month” is a big deal but tall people month is not. Gay people didn’t choose t…

>But in Florida there is a law now saying teachers can’t talk about gay people in school. If only you weren't misrepresenting the Parental Rights in Education bill[1] you'd have a point. There's no reason why a teacher needs to discuss sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. with kindergartens, be that heterosexual or homosexual. That's a private matter that has no place in a classroom, less so in primary grad…

> There's no reason why a teacher needs to discuss sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. with kindergartens, be that heterosexual or homosexual.

How do you explain the use of English personal pronouns without referencing sex or gender identity? I mean, I know the that the right is perfomatively “anti-pronoun”, but unless they've decided to exclude them entirely from education...

The same issue exists with traditional honorifics (Mr./Mrs./Miss/etc.); with those you can probably get away with “it was what it is” for specific individuals as a baseline, but are teachers really expect to defer questions about them till later grades?

(It's also very hard to to discuss anything about families, actual or fictional, without, in fact, talking about sexual orientation, and while the bill is superficially written neutrally, it's very clear that the intent is to resolve all these issues of perfectly common childhood things that would become impossible to discuss if it were enforced as written by simply by ignoring then as long as the orientations and identities at issue are heterosexual and cisgender.)

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#249

Post by thaneross »

Banana699 wrote: post #242
Kye wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here, and they keep coming. Nazis put people like me in the camps. The "good guys" left people like me there. The famous book burning photo everyone, including people who hate people like me, loves to post in relation to free speech was substantially the books of an era equivalent queer center. Pride is about making you aware of this. The threat is real, and it's he…

>In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here You assert this, then you proceed to describe the events of more than 75 years ago. Where exactly, in the countries you're allowed to hold pride parades today, are the nazis who want you in camps and prisons ? and how is obnoxiosly parading in the streets while wearing half-naked customs preventing those nazis from achieving what they want ? If you mean by the…

> Society is not obligated to force people to let you [...] into their businesses

Courts have routinely disagreed with you here.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#250

Post by Semiapies »

the_only_law wrote: post #239
Semiapies wrote: post #222

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Your ability to deduce the identities of anonymous downvoters and read their minds is simply amazing to me. How can I learn this art?

points to Banana699's comment beside yours

By pulling your head out of the sand and paying attention.

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