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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by rbanffy »

native_samples wrote: post #213
tadfisher wrote: post #163

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Pride Month is not a left-right issue unless you make it one.

Claiming that hard left politics isn't really politics at all, is a silly and transparent tactic which fools nobody. Imagine if half your app icons suddenly changed to incorporate dollar signs in celebration of Capitalism Month. Every day a new CEO is celebrated for their job creation prowess and you can't avoid it because it's everywhere. Would you simply shrug and say, well, we live in a capitalist country so it's…

> Imagine if half your app icons suddenly changed to incorporate dollar signs in celebration of Capitalism Month.

Why would that be? Every month is "Capitalism Month". Also, I can't remember the last time capitalists (the ones with the capital, not their workers who aspire one day to have capital) were oppressed.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by Semiapies »

Jcowell wrote: post #108
xisukar wrote: post #103

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>When your fashionable beliefs fall out of fashion, it will be your problem soon enough. Just don't cry about oppression then. The righteousness of these individuals make them blind to the fact the pendulum swings back and forth.

I mean let’s be clear here, we are taking about a symbol that’s for the backing of the rights of a group of people. There would be large problems for society as a whole if the pendulum swings the other way.

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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by Semiapies »

culpable_pickle wrote: post #47
jansan wrote: post #19

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> If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine. I may be old fashined, but I remember it being considered a problem for the seller if a potential customer does not like offered product.

So your saying everyone should be able to demand a custom app icon that fits their design preferences, presumably for free?

No, the icons are just an excuse.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by drewbug01 »

nomel wrote: post #205
drewbug01 wrote: post #145

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There isn’t any assumption of malintent. I’m not sure where you’d draw that conclusion from.

You’ve repeatedly used “dog whistle” in your replies, along with “heard this rhetoric before”.

It’s true that I suspect the author views it as an annoyance or irrelevant, but I don’t know that the author holds actual malicious intent.

Said differently: to me the dog-whistle seems to be “this annoying group that I don’t care about won’t leave me alone, they should shut up.”

I don’t think that’s outright malicious, necessarily.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by drewbug01 »

ankushnarula wrote: post #217
drewbug01 wrote: post #112

The author didn’t bother to state which political statements they were upset about; neither did they bother to say something like “all of them,” which would have been trivial. So we are left to guess which political activism they find annoying. Given the timing, there’s a very good chance that it’s related to Pride month here in the US. It seems even more probable when you consider the context: very few companies cha…

The fact that you’re speculating about what the author may or may not believe rather than contemplating what he is saying IS the problem.

There is more to communication than the words said. Context matters - including place and time.

What isn’t said is also important, and “editing” is arguably the hardest part of writing. “Negative space” in art is a powerful tool that one can wield, and I think it’s just as applicable to writing as it is to visual media.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by Kye »

Banana699 wrote: post #216
snowwrestler wrote: post #91

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Politicizing the person is something that happens to some people against their will. For example people don’t choose to be gay, it just happens like being tall or having blue eyes. But in Florida there is a law now saying teachers can’t talk about gay people in school. Totally still fine to talk about tall people, though. This is why “Pride Month” is a big deal but tall people month is not. Gay people didn’t choose t…

Is there no limit to the amount of "Standing up" or rules about when and with whom you do it? Because it seems to me that if some people reject your existence, and in response you politicise your whole existence and become an insufferable walking-talking political billboard constantly shouting the same things regardless of context or consent of the people you're shouting at, seems to me like that's walking right into…

You have events mixed up. People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence. Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently. That's what Pride is about. The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space that was exactly as quiet as you would have preferred.

It didn't work. The police came and attacked them anyway. Now we march and get in your face so you'll notice when someone tries to get rid of us.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by Kye »

marcodiego wrote: post #6

In a certain way, Free Software is political activism. Disagree with something? Fork it. Not using FLOSS? Contribute to one by using, coding, donating money or trying to make it more popular. Can't or don't want to do that? How about stop complaining?

Then you try and fork it, and people get mad about that too and accuse you of splitting the community over a difference they didn't consider important and didn't take seriously and dismissed when it was brought up for decades before the fork happened.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by _-david-_ »

drewbug01 wrote: post #197
_-david-_ wrote: post #188

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>About the whole “existence” bit - I think you’re unintentionally arguing a straw man? I never asserted that not having a rainbow logo meant that you must clearly hate the gays. Then I misunderstood what you were saying. I guess that goes to show the risk we take when we try to read more into the text than what it says. >For certain? Not from the text, no. I’ve been clear this whole time that I feel it is likely what…

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The guy is literally saying he and others are falsely being accused of transphboia and somehow you think that is proof of transphobia?

Amazing how I knew you wouldn't have any real posts of transphobia.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by hulitu »

dmkirwan wrote: post #31

The main question I have after reading this is: what 'bargain' is the author referring to? Apps change their logos all of the time, as is their right. The timing of this post is coincident with pride month, and many companies changing altering their logo to use the pride colors. I disagree with the suggestion that changing the color(s) of the logos and icons hinder the user's ability to find the app. A rainbow versio…

All icons rainbows. Now .

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by aaomidi »

native_samples wrote: post #212
aaomidi wrote: post #131

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Good thing I don’t make decisions :)

As someone else who was an SRE at Google years ago, you should indeed be very glad that we made hiring decisions based on merit and not personal politics. The SRE team I joined shortly after the IPO was dominated by libertarians and arch meritocrats who would have considered your attitude a clear firing offence. It was those sort of people who built the company. But who knows? Maybe we should have done background che…

Wouldn't have minded tbh, but yeah this is why I will never put myself in a position of making hiring decisions.

I don't like deciding on the fate of others. It's not my place to do that.

I've just seen teams go to shit when you have hateful people join it. So, I'm sharing my observations with that.

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