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Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by xd1936 »

nonethewiser wrote: post #115
msoad wrote: post #92

I've been using Copilot for a while now. I'm lucky that I don't have to pay moving forward but I would totally pay $10/mo for this. When writing tests, this thing works so well that it saves me 10-20% time writing code so $10 is nothing.

> I'm lucky that I don't have to pay moving forward but I would totally pay $10/mo for this. How? I was in beta but looks like I'm kicked out. I also verified my student status but get prompted to pay. Are you a maintainer? Have you verified that you have access?

I _think_ a coupon code or something will eventually be available on the Github Student Pack website[1]. No clear answer yet if it'll be available for Teachers[2] as well.

1. https://education.github.com/pack

2. https://education.github.com/teachers

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by tinco »

tpxl wrote: post #165
danuker wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also its users might be violating the GPL. https://www.infoworld.com/article/3627319/github-copilot-is-...

How can the user be violating the license, not the distributor? If I give you a binary that gives you a Disney movie, it's not you violating the copyright, it's me. The copilot itself is violating the copyright, not its users.

Where I live, copyright literally means the right to copy. Which means using a binary that gives/produces/generates a Disney movie when you do not have rights to that movie, you violate copyright by virtue of copying the IP into your computers memory and then onto the view buffer of your display. Also if the binary manages to do that without actually violating copyright itself it might even be legal. There's other laws that could be used though, I forgot what they got Napster on but they had something to shut it down, same for torrent sites like Piratebay.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by hnbad »

natefinch wrote: post #83
lelandfe wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really only need one example to offset this anecdote, so here you are: https://mobile.twitter.com/mitsuhiko/status/1410886329924194... Copyright violations are a genuine concern from the outputted code, GitHub themselves have admitted it may emit raw training data rarely.

There is logic to ensure that copilot does not emit exact duplicates of code in the training set... but that logic is significantly newer than that tweet.

Was that decision informed by legal or product? Because derivative works are still derivitative works even if you don't replicate the original verbatim.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by eezurr »

lancesells wrote: post #44

I'll be honest I love the technology involved in this product but I hate that it's another aspect of monetizing the efforts and humanity of millions of people. It's incredible that we're able to do these things but awful at the same time since this data was / is not theirs. Same as something like Dall-E.

Im sure from Microsoft's POV is that they are charging you for maintaining and operating co-pilot (servers, admin, etc), not charging you for the tool itself.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by corrral »

freedomben wrote: post #5

Does copilot learn from and suggest patterns in the same codebase that you're working, or does it just pull from the huge pool of projects on GH? How well does copilot help with languages like Elixir that are less common? WIth TypeScript it's been remarkable, but that's one of the most popular and surely very familiar to devs and GH, so I would expect less popular like Elixir to not perform as well. Does copilot work…

> Does copilot work for shell scripts?

Oh wow—a language where there are: 20 ways to do something, three of them are common, but only three others actually behave, by any standard, correctly, while being among the least-common in public code, seems like exactly the wrong kind of thing to use this for.

Shell doesn't need machine-learning autocomplete trained on existing shell scripts, it needs a hand-built aggressive linter.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by tnorthcutt »

threatofrain wrote: post #240
rexreed wrote: post #238

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Your decision making delta is really $40 a year? How much is your time worth?

The time savings win is really that marginal. I'm not sure I can save more than 3 hours per year with Copilot. And this isn't saving 3 hours in a single week, this is saving a few seconds here and there accumulated over a year. Saving time with Copilot is itself a learning process and a probabilistic affair. Copilot can win you a few seconds at a time, but can easily set you back minutes if you aren't careful or expe…

Just to clarify: are you saying you'd pay $20 for an hour saved, but not $33.33 for an hour saved?

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by ploxiln »

bluelightning2k wrote: post #100

My unpopular take: most comments here are super entitled. To paraphrase: "sure it's minblowing and the biggest productivity gain in years, but I want it FREE". Yes. You got used to it being free. And now it's not. But $10/mo is a steal. It's more than fair and far, far less than they could get. And no. They don't owe you anything. In fact, they probably host your code (often free), and less directly provide your IDE…

I don't like the idea of CoPilot ... and I'm happy it's not free :)

I'm enjoying reading some comments where people consider how much it's actually worth for their usage. Dollars brings some sober analysis. I'm sure the development and compute have a significant cost, and should be paid for.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by russh »

hag wrote: post #228
Spartan-S63 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. At the very least, I was hoping they'd bundle it with the GitHub Pro subscription for individuals rather than as a separate product.

Totally agree. I was expecting to get this feature as part of my Pro subscription.

I was expecting the same.
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