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Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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What's the criteria for being considered "a maintainer of a popular open source project"? They never actually publish the criteria anywhere from what I can tell. They just say visit the subscription page and if you are eligible it should be available to you and if you see a charge then you are not eligible. I think though they should still be transparent about what their metric is for determining popular projects on…

At a minimum, 4.3k stars is not enough, because I don't qualify.

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Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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I've enjoyed using it for free, but not sure it's worth the $10/mo yet. When it works great, it's a nice-to-have for speeding up development but has yet to give me anything I wouldn't be able to just write myself. And when I wish it would give me the answer to something I don't know how to do, it spits out something very wrong. Also feels kind of icky to train on open source projects and then charge for the output.

> Also feels kind of icky to train on open source projects and then charge for the output. Yeah, this feels like the same nonsense that scientific journal publishers pull. If your product only has value because of what we made, it's completely unfair to not pay us for our work and then to turn around and charge us to use the output.

Also its users might be violating the GPL.

https://www.infoworld.com/article/3627319/github-copilot-is-...

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my experience with it the suggestions are so generic it's hard to imagine anyone has a legit license to "formatDateISO....() {code here}". Maybe I'm using it wrong but I've hardly seen it pump out a mass volume of code.

You really only need one example to offset this anecdote, so here you are: https://mobile.twitter.com/mitsuhiko/status/1410886329924194... Copyright violations are a genuine concern from the outputted code, GitHub themselves have admitted it may emit raw training data rarely.

There is logic to ensure that copilot does not emit exact duplicates of code in the training set... but that logic is significantly newer than that tweet.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Has anyone been able to sign up since this announcement? I get to a "Confirm your payment details" screen, but there is no further action I can take (ie: no button to press or link to click to "confirm"). It does say "You will be billed $100/year starting August 20, 2022" -- but when I view my "settings", it tells me I haven't signed up for copilot. I tried various browsers, including Edge on Windows 10 sans plugins…

I don't even see that. I see a "Start my free trial" button and it just takes me to the generic billing screen. How do I even purchase this? Is it its own subscription?

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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I've enjoyed using it for free, but not sure it's worth the $10/mo yet. When it works great, it's a nice-to-have for speeding up development but has yet to give me anything I wouldn't be able to just write myself. And when I wish it would give me the answer to something I don't know how to do, it spits out something very wrong. Also feels kind of icky to train on open source projects and then charge for the output.

Yea...does this mean it will stop working until I pay?

It's been really nice for autofilling console logs and boilerplate code...but $10? It's a novelty that is nice when it works, but that's a steep price point for what it is, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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I've enjoyed using it for free, but not sure it's worth the $10/mo yet. When it works great, it's a nice-to-have for speeding up development but has yet to give me anything I wouldn't be able to just write myself. And when I wish it would give me the answer to something I don't know how to do, it spits out something very wrong. Also feels kind of icky to train on open source projects and then charge for the output.

> Also feels kind of icky to train on open source projects and then charge for the output. "open source is great, except when it's used in a way I don't like"

I don't see the use itself as a problem, but rather that the result is not treated as a derivative work of the input. If I train it on GPL code, the result should be GPL, too.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Has anyone been able to sign up since this announcement? I get to a "Confirm your payment details" screen, but there is no further action I can take (ie: no button to press or link to click to "confirm"). It does say "You will be billed $100/year starting August 20, 2022" -- but when I view my "settings", it tells me I haven't signed up for copilot. I tried various browsers, including Edge on Windows 10 sans plugins…

There are some GitHub problems that are getting addressed right now.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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IMHO, it's still far from GA quality/usability. A must-have feature that's missing is a toggle switch that lets you temporarily turn it off. Without a feature, it can get really noisy.

There is a button you can click in VSCode to toggle it, so not sure what's the problem.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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I've enjoyed using it for free, but not sure it's worth the $10/mo yet. When it works great, it's a nice-to-have for speeding up development but has yet to give me anything I wouldn't be able to just write myself. And when I wish it would give me the answer to something I don't know how to do, it spits out something very wrong. Also feels kind of icky to train on open source projects and then charge for the output.

> has yet to give me anything I wouldn't be able to just write myself

Sure it has: Time.

In terms of economics it's really simple: Does Copilot free up more than 10$ worth of your time per month? If the product works at all as I understand it (I haven't tried), the answer should be a resounding "yes, and then some" for pretty much any SE, given the current market rates. If the answer is no (for example because it produces too many bad suggestions which break your flow), the product simply doesn't work.

There might be other reasons for you not to use it. Ego could be one. Your call.

> Also feels kind of icky to train on open source projects and then charge for the output.

I don't know why it would feel any more icky than making money off of open source in other ways.

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