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Re: Cloudflare had a partial outage

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Post by eins1234 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #343
eins1234 wrote: post #340

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Of course it is... Typical Cloudflare.

Imagine having to pay for a service

Imagine already paying for a service and then having someone snark at you for wanting things for free.

I tried to exercise some restraint this time, but screw it. Here's another rant:

Beware of Cloudflare's tactic of luring people in to their CDN product with "free" bandwidth, and then locking useful features arbitrarily behind what I can only imagine is a thousands of dollars per month enterprise plan. Just look at their cache-purging page for a super obvious example of this (there are plenty more, way too many to list), everything other than basic purge by URL is enterprise only: https://developers.cloudflare.com/cache/how-to/purge-cache/

These days Cloudflare is literally my last choice for a CDN for my new projects. My new go-to is bunny.net, who charges a reasonable usage-based fee for bandwidth and gives you unfettered access to all the features they've built (and doesn't route your users to farther/closer nodes based on how much you pay: https://cloudflare-test.judge.sh/). Though I'd even reach for Cloudfront with their expensive bandwidth costs these days, because at least their pricing is transparent and scales smoothly with usage, and they don't arbitrarily cut you off from useful features that you might not know you need yet.

Even their bandwidth might not really be "free", since I've heard if you actually use any significant amount, the sales people will come knocking on your door to coerce you to get on the same enterprise plan or have your site taken down.

Re: Cloudflare had a partial outage

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Post by hizanberg »

adwww wrote: post #350
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #343

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Imagine having to pay for a service

Cloudflare's pricing has issues. My company was paying $20 a month. We were heavily depended on CF, we'd have been happy to pay more. But... the one feature we wanted was for our accounts team to have their own login so the ops team didn't have to download invoices every month. Nope, that one feature required an enterprise plan which they quoted $4,000 a month for.

I've been impressed with Cloudflare's (non enterprise) value thus far, what Bandwidth & Users did the $4k quote cover?

Re: Cloudflare had a partial outage

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Post by danachow »

mercer wrote: post #142
mwcampbell wrote: post #82

At times like this and the big Fastly outage roughly a year ago, choosing to host on a simple, independent bare-metal box doesn't seem like such a bad strategy (as long as one has backups for disaster recovery, of course). Sure, other things can cause downtime in that kind of infrastructure, but at least my service isn't likely to be taken offline by someone else's configuration error or deployment gone wrong.

My domains with DNSimple, and my servers are on Hetzner. There should be no dependency on CloudFlare, and yet they are down too.

Puhleeze. DNSimple uses Cloudflare DNS firewall product - this is not a secret. If you don’t like it use an alternative DNS provider, there are plenty.

Re: Cloudflare had a partial outage

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Post by evrflx »

adwww wrote: post #350
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine having to pay for a service

Cloudflare's pricing has issues. My company was paying $20 a month. We were heavily depended on CF, we'd have been happy to pay more. But... the one feature we wanted was for our accounts team to have their own login so the ops team didn't have to download invoices every month. Nope, that one feature required an enterprise plan which they quoted $4,000 a month for.

Is there no api for that? It would even save the manual download effort.

Re: Cloudflare had a partial outage

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Post by sammy2244 »

mike_d wrote: post #286
robocat wrote: post #261

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> There is no big conspiracy CloudFlare should be run by the CIA or something - asthonishing MITM opportunities. The only clear sign the CIA is not deeply involved is that CloudFlare is far too competent.

It blows my mind how most of the otherwise savvy readers of HN completely gloss over the fact that Cloudflare unwraps TLS on most their internet traffic. I trust that the current leadership might not do something evil, but they are publicly traded. At some point a group of investors are going to figure out that merging Cloudflare with an advertising network would create a level of user targeting that Google and Faceb…

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Re: Cloudflare had a partial outage

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #284
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #212

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Cloudflare going down is one of the things which keeps me awake, My main complaint about Cloudflare is that they are very good at everything they offer that we've become reliant on them for everything.

"do no evil" springs to mind -- once burned, etc.

Yeah, What's up with the competition to Cloudflare? What's the real barrier for entry?

It's not infrastructure anymore, As there is a new PaaS startup every week offering distributed hosting and So why bundling in DNS, DDOS detection+mitigation, cloud workers... with it is so hard?

Re: Cloudflare had a partial outage

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Post by garyclarke27 »

adwww wrote: post #350
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine having to pay for a service

Cloudflare's pricing has issues. My company was paying $20 a month. We were heavily depended on CF, we'd have been happy to pay more. But... the one feature we wanted was for our accounts team to have their own login so the ops team didn't have to download invoices every month. Nope, that one feature required an enterprise plan which they quoted $4,000 a month for.

Oh dear your poor Ops team, they had to download a few invoices to save $4k and every month! My heart bleeds for them.

Re: Cloudflare had a partial outage

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Post by danachow »

nabla9 wrote: post #354
joebob42 wrote: post #136

Kind of ironic, there was a big "cloudflare is bad and a central point of failure" article on the front page just a couple days ago. Found it, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31801947 edit: Not that I necessarily agree with the article even in light of there being an outage, cloudflare has been pretty good for us. Just thought it was interesting.

Mid 2000s one computer science professor said that internet capacity is not going to match the amount of traffic. Everybody laughed. The wold was full of dark fiber after dot-com-bust. But if you look at his math, it was correct. The era of client-server connected heterogeneous distributed Internet is just a side show today. The solution has been centralization (clarification: big companies run their own caches and n…

> The solution has been centralization and growth of caches.

Centralization and growth of caches are on their face contradictory.

Perhaps you mean organizational centralization but that really has nothing to do with internet capacity demands. Your hot take isn’t so brilliant. What’s fundamentally wrong with edge distribution?

Re: Cloudflare had a partial outage

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Post by hulahoof »

robocat wrote: post #261
bilekas wrote: post #189

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CLoudflare just offer great services. Its straight up fact that even their free model is extremely generous. There is no big conspiracy to 'take over the internet' but when the product is good, the product is good.

> There is no big conspiracy CloudFlare should be run by the CIA or something - asthonishing MITM opportunities. The only clear sign the CIA is not deeply involved is that CloudFlare is far too competent.

Agreed, NSA is much more likely
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