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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#201

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>By whom? From where I stand, a lot of folks have stated calling me and mine “groomers,” which is pretty critical in my book. That's a very specific thing. Children of certain ages would go great lengths to feel different from the previous generation, "cool", "hip". Decades of various subcultures from Punks to Emos is pretty solid evidence. Grooming is trying to use the need to feel different in order to convince the…

> No mainstream media outlet ever covers this angle - it's a complete taboo It isn’t a taboo; it’s fallacious. That’s the reason mainstream media doesn’t cover it: there is no epidemic of LGBT people “grooming” children. It’s a made-up thing designed to whip up a frenzy of hatred towards LGBTQ people and justify rolling back civil rights. I appreciate your lengthy discussion of what grooming is, and how you think it’…

>there is no epidemic of LGBT people “grooming” children. It’s a made-up thing designed to whip up a frenzy of hatred towards LGBTQ people and justify rolling back civil rights.

In a country of 300M+ people there will be always plenty of examples of both. And a civilized society would attempt to discern the 2 different behaviors and find a reasonable way to distinguish them formally. The media is not doing that - it artificially divides people into 2 polar opposite camps and forces you to take side based on identity, rather than discussing specific behaviors.

>However, in context it sounds like you are saying that my example of criticism isn’t legitimate because LGBTQ people are “groomers.”

No, I am saying that some people are groomers. And some people are LGBTQ. And the groomers (some percentage of them being LGBTQ) would yell "homophobia" and claim that their critics are trying to steal civil liberties (while some of the critics would actually be trying to do that and trying to use anti-groomer guise for cover up). So it's important to make a distinction between behaviors (e.g. allowing gay people to marry) and affiliation (like identity-based quotas and virtue signalling), because the former is rather hard to abuse, and the latter is an abuser magnet.

>Everything you say after this point is interesting, but utterly unrelated to what I said.

Oh, I would argue it is. Attention is a legitimate intangible asset. Pride month is taking a small "attention tax" from everyone, and redistributing it based on identity. Stop doing that and the tensions in the society will decrease. If you want activism, divert it towards actions (like bullying is bad, regardless of the victim's identity) and you will get people to actually agree rather than splinter.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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What this really is, is showing political compliance. Just like what Italians had to do in the late 30s to prevent their businesses from being destroyed. How would you feel if most apps all over the App Store for one whole month used right wing political symbology to signal their compliance? I’m sure you’d get pretty angry about it. Try to put yourself in other’s shoes, and stop participating in this low-effort fasci…

Pride Month is not a left-right issue unless you make it one.

Positioning your identity around sexuality (what pride month is essentially) is a left issue, sexual orientation or preference in general is not. GLBT people have allowed themselves to be used and abused by the system and the corporations unfortunately.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#203

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> No mainstream media outlet ever covers this angle - it's a complete taboo It isn’t a taboo; it’s fallacious. That’s the reason mainstream media doesn’t cover it: there is no epidemic of LGBT people “grooming” children. It’s a made-up thing designed to whip up a frenzy of hatred towards LGBTQ people and justify rolling back civil rights. I appreciate your lengthy discussion of what grooming is, and how you think it’…

>there is no epidemic of LGBT people “grooming” children. It’s a made-up thing designed to whip up a frenzy of hatred towards LGBTQ people and justify rolling back civil rights. In a country of 300M+ people there will be always plenty of examples of both. And a civilized society would attempt to discern the 2 different behaviors and find a reasonable way to distinguish them formally. The media is not doing that - it…

> So it's important to make a distinction between behaviors (e.g. allowing gay people to marry) and affiliation (like identity-based quotas and virtue signalling), because the former is rather hard to abuse, and the latter is an abuser magnet.

This is a pretty odd statement.

In any case: if you want to try and split hairs about this, that’s your call. What I’ll say is this: nobody seemed to care much about a “grooming” epidemic until a few months ago, and since then it’s only been about LGBTQ people.

Nobody else is making the distinctions you’re trying to make here.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

Yup - private companies/app makers can do as they please. You consented to them doing as they wish. The choice is simple, if you don't like it, just stop using the app. There are probably tons of alternatives.

We here at Union Busting Inc. approve this message. Pound sand! ;P

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#205
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Why do you assume malice?

There isn’t any assumption of malintent. I’m not sure where you’d draw that conclusion from.

You’ve repeatedly used “dog whistle” in your replies, along with “heard this rhetoric before”.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#207

You can consider not using the product? If you can't stomach a temporary icon change, which I'm guessing has to do with either Pride or Juneteenth, then I'm sure the app organization and society wouldn't mind you finding an alternative. The latter has become a federal holiday so it's not exactly activism IMO to show alliance with that.

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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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>I’m pretty sure they told you how they feel. Why are you assuming things not stated? Again, was just pointing out that this article about 'Political Activism' is getting a ton of traction on the one day of the year when we (in America) recognize the historical oppression of both LGBT and black people. Am I missing a trend of app icons that recognize other 'political' causes? Because if the author is mad about rainbo…

“Am I missing a trend of app icons that recognize other 'political' causes?” Yes.

Please provide one example.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#209

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Not really, from Wikipedia [1]: > Heteronormativity is the concept that heterosexuality is the preferred or normal mode of sexual orientation. It assumes the gender binary (i.e., that there are only two distinct, opposite genders) and that sexual and marital relations are most fitting between people of opposite sex. The idea of promoting a "gender binary" and treating the exceptions as abnormalities is quite diagonal…

You’ve equated the idea that “heterosexuality is normal” with “non-heterosexuality is abnormal.” That is only true in the strictest of semantic senses. There is a very negative connotation to “abnormal,” is that what you meant to imply?

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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

#210

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I'm pretty sure we are past the point where LGBT people need to be worried about whether a major bank will serve them or not. And yet the rainbow washing continues. Why is that?

People still think a rainbow is political. And look at all the political stunts GOP is pulling at LGBT peoples expense. Also, we aren’t past that point.

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether we are past that point. I have seen no evidence of major corporations or banks refusing to serve LGBT people. Companies are simply hoping they can attract more customers by appearing relevant.
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