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We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Post by malfist »

rglover wrote: post #27

Wow. Hadn't heard of Mullvad before reading this, figured I'd give it a try. That is hands down the BEST onboarding experience for an app (let alone a VPN) I've had in I don't know how long. Took me maybe 2 minutes to go from no account to a working VPN connection. I love that everything is anonymous (down to the account credentials just being a randomly generated token).

Mullvard is behind the mozilla vpn. They're crazy good about privacy. You can mail them cash with account info and they'll set you up.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Post by jeromegv »

shafyy wrote: post #42
londons_explore wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you delete it in Stripe, I very much doubt that stripe or the credit card providers will be deleting the data. Someone will know that Mr Smith has a mulvad VPN subscription. They just won't know his username on the service.

Probably true. So, how does Mullvad handle this?

Handle what? Of course someone can go to Stripe and get that info, but as OP just said, they won't be able to tie it to a specific VPN account as that link is now broken.

They also mentioned it's about less data, not about zero data. The moment you use a credit card, of course it's stored in a bunch of places. But this won't be stored with them.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Post by zulln »

bombcar wrote: post #37
CodesInChaos wrote: post #15

If they don't keep the link between accounts and payments, doesn't that mean they can't revoke an account when a chargeback happens?

> In order to provide refunds and the ability to recover lost accounts we need to store some record of a payment, at least for a short time. As soon as we do not need the data to enable refunding a payment we scrub the record of anything that can link the payment or the account to any personally identifiable information kept by the payment processor (this could be your bank, for example). So they hold your info and l…

Selecting Pretzel24 as payment method redirects to https://go.przelewy24.pl/ where in turn you choose between different banks. I guess it is a Polish service for direct bank payments?

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Post by acallaghan »

shafyy wrote: post #42
londons_explore wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you delete it in Stripe, I very much doubt that stripe or the credit card providers will be deleting the data. Someone will know that Mr Smith has a mulvad VPN subscription. They just won't know his username on the service.

Probably true. So, how does Mullvad handle this?

I suspect a temporary ID that links the two that lives for just the time of the Payment Request and transmitted as metadata? Once the payment is successful, it removes the ID linking the payment to the account ID & severs the link - just the account has the credit

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Post by karaterobot »

yreg wrote: post #47
skeeter2020 wrote: post #7

If you're familiar with the sizeable benefits of the subscription model for a business you'll recognize this is a big deal.

They still use a subscription model it's just a non-recurring one.

Part of the advantage of the recurring subscription model is having predictable revenue every month due to it being recurring. And many businesses count on that "gym membership" effect, where people who don't use a service also don't take the time to cancel it for a while.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Post by criddell »

kombucha13 wrote: post #2

Very interesting. Mullvad seems to be the most extreme and reputable VPN service out there when it comes to privacy. At least it seems that way.

A VPN will hide you from your ISP, but that's about it, isn't it? Does a VPN really provide that much real privacy?

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Post by syzygyhack »

heartbeats wrote: post #46
pxeger1 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty sweeping statement to make with no evidence.

Monero has the largest anonymity set of any cryptocurrency, so the statement is true.

It's not just about the anonymity set, there are more factors than that. That said, I concur with the conclusion.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Post by kombucha13 »

criddell wrote: post #57
kombucha13 wrote: post #2

Very interesting. Mullvad seems to be the most extreme and reputable VPN service out there when it comes to privacy. At least it seems that way.

A VPN will hide you from your ISP, but that's about it, isn't it? Does a VPN really provide that much real privacy?

I mean a properly configured VPN can do a lot more Then hide you from your ISP
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