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#22It's weird that the article explicitly mentiones various groups that were killed/deported to German concentration camps across Europe and commemorated by the stones, but does not mention the second largest one - Poles. German historical policy tends to not include Poles as victims the 1939-1945 Germany, but in spite of that, there are multiple stones commemorating them in today's Berlin.
Germany has a very interesting views on poles. While Germans living in Poland are officially recognized as a minority with all the rights (German schools, street names) the German government to this day refuses to recognize poles living in Germany as a minority.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apparently putting down the stones in Poland is met with resistance. If poles want to commemorate killed poles with these stones they will have to take the initiative.
In Germany there has been a lot of resistance too. Including court cases etc.
But against the stones in general, not specifically against stones for Poles. I followed the discussion and also in other cities Stolpersteine for Poles have been initiated, albeit slowly.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apparently putting down the stones in Poland is met with resistance. If poles want to commemorate killed poles with these stones they will have to take the initiative.
It's their way of commemorating their victims and somehow in the process the second largest group slipped through. I don't want their way of commemorating their victims in my home Poland.
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#28It's weird that the article explicitly mentiones various groups that were killed/deported to German concentration camps across Europe and commemorated by the stones, but does not mention the second largest one - Poles. German historical policy tends to not include Poles as victims the 1939-1945 Germany, but in spite of that, there are multiple stones commemorating them in today's Berlin.
Apparently putting down the stones in Poland is met with resistance. If poles want to commemorate killed poles with these stones they will have to take the initiative.
The Poles I'm refering to were killed in Germany and the stones commemorating them exist. My comment is saying that the article is not mentioning them.
There are stones like this in Poland commemorating Jews, e.g. former German city of Breslau, nowadays Wrocław. I believe the resistance came from the fact that Poles were not organizers of those killings/deportations and it was expected to be misunderstood by people unfamiliar with history (e.g. stone commemorating murdered Jews in a city that was formerly German but nowadays Polish, or Jews murdered in Poland by Germans).
Important to mention: there were killings (not supported by the state) of Jews and systemic antisemitism (clearly supported by the state) in Poland conducted and organized by Polish people before and during the war (this was, though, not supported by the state at that time), but incomparable in scale.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Germany there has been a lot of resistance too. Including court cases etc.
But against the stones in general, not specifically against stones for Poles. I followed the discussion and also in other cities Stolpersteine for Poles have been initiated, albeit slowly.
Considering it's 2022, it clearly shows that the sentiment has been against it.
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#30There's also a OpenStreetMap based map on top of that: https://stolpersteinmap.de/ And the German public TV station created an app with additional information on Stolpersteine: https://stolpersteine.wdr.de/web/en/
Impressive to see how many Stolpersteine are out there. I never saw/recognized one on my own even though I walk around a lot in areas with a high density of them.
I didn't know of them until after I had moved to Hamburg, where there are quite a few. My SO showed them to me and told me the background.
I was flabbergasted. Being very interested in history, having studied history at university and never before having heard of them was quite frankly disconcerting for me back then.
Since I nearly always stumble (as intended) as it is a visual pattern I now instantly recognize.