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New in Reader: a fresh design, and Google+ sharing

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Re: New in Reader: a fresh design, and Google+ sharing

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I can't agree more. At least they allow us to download our data as JSON file. I used the sharing feature a lot . I just downloaded my shared-items.json file and it is 56.3MB large! I already tried Tiny Tiny RSS and NewsBlur but I don't really like them. There's rssLounge left, I'll try it tomorrow if I have enough time. Does anyone knows another one of these opensource webapp feed aggragator? For now, I'll continue s…

Hey, NewsBlur's developer here. What didn't you like about NewsBlur? Lots in the pipeline, but I loves hearing what's off-putting so I can fix it for everybody.

I like Newsblur more than the last time I tried -- I just signed up for a premium account. However, I'm still slightly frustrated because of this:

In Google Reader, I liked to look at all the feeds in a category and just see all the posts from each of those feeds in the reading pane, most recent first. I can almost do the same thing in NewsBlur with the "river of news," but it only shows me unread posts, which is usually OK but it's nice sometimes to be able to easily scroll back and re-read an older post without having to go dig up that feed.

Is there a way you could add an option to replicate the Reader-like behavior of showing the posts in a folder chronologically?

Re: New in Reader: a fresh design, and Google+ sharing

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So I've been using this new Google Reader for a full hour now and here are a few observations.

Note that my background with Google Reader is that I read 312 feeds through it and do end my day with 0 unreads. This means that, on most month, I consume about 30,000 stories, seldom clicking away from the reader itself as I read mostly full feeds.

The first thing that struck me is how much slower this reader is. There seems to be a refresh on every new move forward, which was less noticeable on the previous version, if at all. There also seems to be a substantially slower response time, on the order of a couple of seconds. This is particularly noticeable if you read the HN firehose feed and try to "N" through the entries.

The left column is mostly OK and it does seem cleaner than the previous version.

The top is dreadful, with a new line taking about 20% of the screen real-estate. While this gives a more "airy" feeling to the Reader, this is at the cost of displaying less content on the page. This is the first glaring UI problem but it's not the worse.

For some odd reason, they seem to have decided to limit the flexibility of the content in the feeds, with text stopping at about 800 pixels and the left of the space on the right being left blank. This creates a substantial imbalance on the screen and makes the whole look feel incomplete. Furthermore, it reduces information density per entry displayed.

Starred is now a sharper edged icons, which is substantially less rounded than the previous version. The presence of 2 stars (one next to the title and one in the toolbar) makes one wonder which one should be used. That's confusing.

The absence of share is a major bummer. In my previous workflow, I would click share (1 click) when I found something interesting and move on. I had setup an RSS reader that would pick up my shared items and pass them on to Twitter, Facebook, and others. This meant that 1 click allowed me to share to social networks without leaving Google Reader. In order to reproduce the same process, I can now "Send to" a service. To do so, I first click "Send to" and then click on the appropriate service, which opens another window. In that service, I can then press a button and share things through that service. I then close that service window and click on the Google Reader tab to get back to my Reader workflow. This is a total of 5 clicks where there once was 1. Doesn't strike me as much of an improvement.

All and all, I have to say, Google Reader may be a fine upgrade for people who don't use RSS readers. But for anyone who's serious about consuming content over RSS, Google has done a substantial disservice by taking what was once a great service for power users and driving it into the ditch.

The net-net of all this is that Google Reader, a service where I spent most of my online reading time will soon end up being replaced by another RSS reader (at least one more suited to my usage) and Google will lose a substantial amount of my online time in the process. I'm sure they won't mind (or even notice) but I suspect they will be surprised when a Google Reader replacement service arises away from them and finds a dedicated following.

Re: New in Reader: a fresh design, and Google+ sharing

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KEEPING IN MIND that I generally hate people who whine every time every thing changes, as someone who is fairly invested in Google Reader, it pains me that this has been a UI step backwards. It's lot less usable; defaulting every link to black, like the rest of the interface, makes scanning for links really painful, and there's still a good 130px of useless interface chrome that is taking up space for no good reason.…

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/ I haven't set up a style for google reader (yet) but Stylish extension for Firefox does a good job letting me customize sites. I don't use it on every site, but places I view regularly I tweak. I have a style for news.yc http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3085416

Thank you! After installing Stylish they had a style already prepared to fix reader:

http://userstyles.org/styles/55550/google-reader-g-edition-m...

Re: New in Reader: a fresh design, and Google+ sharing

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https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/ I haven't set up a style for google reader (yet) but Stylish extension for Firefox does a good job letting me customize sites. I don't use it on every site, but places I view regularly I tweak. I have a style for news.yc http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3085416

Thank you! After installing Stylish they had a style already prepared to fix reader: http://userstyles.org/styles/55550/google-reader-g-edition-m...

This was exactly what I was looking for. I did make one addition to mark the read items.

.read > .card { border: 1px solid #f357a1 !important; }

Adds a pinkish border around the cards of read items.

Re: New in Reader: a fresh design, and Google+ sharing

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Problem: Can no longer access old "notes" or "shared items"

Solution: Turn them into "starred items"

Details: You can only access notes or shared items from certain mobile or desktop clients. I don't know exactly which ones but the one I used was MobileRSS (iOS). Go into the "notes" folder and manually star every item (you don't need to star "shared" items because all of them are notes, but not all notes are shared items). If you want them in chronological order, you'll need to start with the oldest first, the second oldest second, etc. It took me less than 10 minutes to star my 131 items.

If you don't do this, you can't view or search for anything in "notes" or "shared items." However, you CAN view and CAN search them so long as they are starred items.

So far as I know, there is no longer a way to get content into Google Reader via the "Note in Reader" bookmarklet. It is no longer supported. This means that any site without an RSS feed cannot have any pages brought into Google Reader, so far as I can tell.

I wonder if there is a service that turns a site into an RSS feed on the fly? Then you'd be able to subscribe temporarily and star the item. Probably not convenient enough to use as a read it later (or archive in Google Reader) service, as I've been doing for the past couple years.

I've found that the easiest way to search for archive-worth web pages I've read years ago is to search my stash in Google Reader. Using a search engine doesn't always find old stuff which may be buried in search results or no longer on the web.

Re: New in Reader: a fresh design, and Google+ sharing

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A few thoughts after a some use: I was part of a community of people I liked, and now, after I clicked a button, that was gone. I miss those people already. I don't recall anything on the text that clearly said "oh yeah, stuff will be gone, including your friends, and we meant to do that." If I want to share now, I have to do so publicly with the Internet or click a "share" button way in the upper right and then buil…

Google gave out notifications about the changes in Reader (including taking away social functions).

You can still download everything you had before and it wouldn't be much work to put all those followers/followees(?) into a circle and share with just them. Although I do agree that should have been done automatically.

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From all the outrage, I'll learn that users will love (or perhaps just grow accustom to) an utterly broken and opaque system as long as it is left around to grow a community. If you used Google Reader's social features before, you impress the hell out of me. I never grokked a single element of it after many years of use. I think Google clearly needed to do something, and integration with G+ is an obvious move. Perhap…

Ways in which the old system was superior: - You interacted with that subset of your friends (and their friends) that cared enough about reading to use this weird software. - You could read your hand-selected feeds, share items and read others' shares in the same place. It was social reading. Now the reading and the social aspect are divorced.

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* you could view the shared items and their comments in the same interface.

Re: New in Reader: a fresh design, and Google+ sharing

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We are working on startup: http://intigi.com . You can subscribe to your RSS or Twitter feeds and then filter the feeds by your interests (i.e., using keywords). In terms of social features, you can make any interest public and share it with others. You can also follow or fork any of the public interests (like Github). We are in early stages with the social features (and overall product) and would really appreciate a…

damn, I fell for it again: joined, didn't particularly like it, decided to delete my account... and there is no way to do it. Sigh. You guys keep doing this, and sooner or later some EU commissioner with half a brain will crack down on the practice, and then we'll all be poorer.

I dislike it too. I signed up with serverdensity to try it out, and after 4 separate email exchanges with support -- each one asking for my account to be delete...it still hasn't happened. I keep getting brush off replies like 'have you tried X?' and 'Are you sure?'.

The service itself wasn't bad (I had some feedback that was likewise ignored/brush off), but I would never recommend them to anyone for this reason alone.

Re: New in Reader: a fresh design, and Google+ sharing

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From all the outrage, I'll learn that users will love (or perhaps just grow accustom to) an utterly broken and opaque system as long as it is left around to grow a community. If you used Google Reader's social features before, you impress the hell out of me. I never grokked a single element of it after many years of use. I think Google clearly needed to do something, and integration with G+ is an obvious move. Perhap…

I voiced some of my concerns in the other HN submission which I will repeat here:

The old system had flaws but it worked. Firstly, I'm not against G+ integration if it meant both products were improved. However, this change looks to me like forcing a whole lot of Reader users to begrudgingly use G+. Reader's social features were not improved; only removed other than a "share to G+".

Not replacing the following system with an interface into G+ so that you can view and comment on friends' submissions from Reader is annoying. Reader was my social network. Why are they forcing me to go open G+ in a new tab everyday to see if my friends had shared anything? That's the _very_ reason I use a feed aggregator. Google doesn't provide any way to view streams in Reader (to my knowledge. I would really love to be wrong here); the only way is probably to use a third party method with no guarantee to not break every time Google touches the G+ code.

Edit: additionally, when viewing shared items on Reader, Reader tries to get the article or picture in. Now, not only do you have to go to G+, it only gives you a link rather than try to fit the article or picture onto the post. Irritating.

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A few thoughts after a some use: I was part of a community of people I liked, and now, after I clicked a button, that was gone. I miss those people already. I don't recall anything on the text that clearly said "oh yeah, stuff will be gone, including your friends, and we meant to do that." If I want to share now, I have to do so publicly with the Internet or click a "share" button way in the upper right and then buil…

The mobile version (http://www.google.com/reader/i/) is not vandalized (yet). It is now my preferred way to access Google Reader.
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