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Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by mrtesthah »

nvrspyx wrote: post #38
jessriedel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I have been baffled that it was always so difficult for the user to manage what’s auto-launched on start-up. So many apps try to bury into start-up so they can keep collecting data and lightly spamming the user. Can anyone shed light on why it took so long? I had always figured the non-existence of a login items panel was a purposeful choice.

It's actually been there for a long time. It's a separate tab in "Users & Groups" pre-Ventura.

No, the “Login Items” panel that was previously under Users & Groups did not include Launch Agents or Launch Daemons.

Launch Daemons in particular are managed directly by launchd and can have more sophisticated triggers including periodic execution.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by crest »

brundolf wrote: post #43
prpl wrote: post #34

I’m sure quite a few MBP 2015 users are going to be a little sad the end is near. I loved that machine. I was able to skip the 2017 MBP and go to 2019, but honestly I miss the smaller trackpad.

Will non-Ventura devices still get vulnerabilities patched, or are they dead in the water?

Apple has established a pattern of haphazardly offering partial and late security updates for the two more releases (e.g. Big Sur, Monterey, Ventura).

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by gernb »

prpl wrote: post #34

I’m sure quite a few MBP 2015 users are going to be a little sad the end is near. I loved that machine. I was able to skip the 2017 MBP and go to 2019, but honestly I miss the smaller trackpad.

agreed the larger trackpad is a net minus. I get all kinds of spurious input because of it sensing my palms

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by mixmastamyk »

Macha wrote: post #17
bangonkeyboard wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can picture a big cat in my mind. That helped to peg OS X releases and enabled me to mentally distinguish and order them. I can't picture "Monterey" or "Ventura" or any other macOS names, they have no meaning to me.

Ventura has a meaning to me.... Ace Ventura, a cartoon from my childhood about a egotistical questionably competent detective. I'm not sure that's the image Apple wants to give off though...

Sunny beach town, Spanish mission, etc.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

DavideNL wrote: post #42

> " Passkeys aim to solve the problems with passwords " So are you locked in with Apple if you use this, or can you switch all your existing passwords to another "passkey provider/service" ? > " Wave Goodbye to CAPTCHAS " I assume that's Safari only... so this is bad news for Firefox?

> In collaboration with Google, Microsoft and other industry players, Apple has been working on a new logon technology for web and other remote services called ‘passkeys’.

I don't think it will be Apple only. However, I am wondering what will happen to services like bitwarden [1] if it is available on other OSes as well.

[1] https://bitwarden.com/

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by jessriedel »

dagmx wrote: post #28
jessriedel wrote: post #22

Mostly off-topic: have Apple and Microsoft completely given up on non-trivial changes to desktop operating systems? Will MacOS look basically the same in 40 years? Or is the idea that everything will be AR/VR by then and there is no use innovating in this domain?

I guess you'd need to set a goal post of what counts as trivial? Many of the things mentioned in the article aren't trivial. They may be smaller in scope, but size (large / small) are different than complexity. You can take a look at what's new in Ventura https://www.apple.com/macos/macos-ventura-preview/features/ but that's not even getting into the under pinnings. Similarly Microsoft made fairly significant changes…

We have gotten so use to these trivial changes that our expectations have renormalized. Desktop OSs are asymptotically approaching a fixed point.

Examples of modest but non-trivial changes:

- eliminate the folder-file system (or at least make it completely invisible to the user)

- remove UI distinction (but not necessarily the sandbox distinction) between web apps and normal apps.

- seamless mobile-desktop integration, so the user views them as just different form factors for accessing the same resources.

(There are of course much more radical changes than these that one could imagine.)

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by nojito »

DavideNL wrote: post #42

> " Passkeys aim to solve the problems with passwords " So are you locked in with Apple if you use this, or can you switch all your existing passwords to another "passkey provider/service" ? > " Wave Goodbye to CAPTCHAS " I assume that's Safari only... so this is bad news for Firefox?

Passkeys are an Open Standard.

https://fidoalliance.org/apple-google-and-microsoft-commit-t...

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by kemayo »

Nothing terribly major here, it sounds like. Making login items visible is a long-overdue change... but none of these are going to have any particular impact on average users or average apps.

On a pettier note, can we get a better source than a website that's using JS to change its title when it doesn't have focus to try to gain attention? (It toggles about every second between "macOS Ventura | 7 New Security Changes to Be Aware Of" and "Message from SentinelOne". https://imgur.com/ynPqpvK - it's pretty awful.) I don't normally complain about scummy websites on here, but this is just annoying.

Interestingly, I went looking for alternative sources for the content, and found that identical content is on other sites [1] which are also doing the same title-flicker technique. So presumably this is part of some content network...

[1]: https://phxtechsol.com/2022/06/13/apples-macos-ventura-7-new...

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by [deleted] »

kemayo wrote: post #58

Nothing terribly major here, it sounds like. Making login items visible is a long-overdue change... but none of these are going to have any particular impact on average users or average apps. On a pettier note, can we get a better source than a website that's using JS to change its title when it doesn't have focus to try to gain attention? (It toggles about every second between "macOS Ventura | 7 New Security Changes…

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Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by dochtman »

sharikous wrote: post #21

At least two other security changes: - userspace filesystems: the nail on the coffin for kernel extensions. Now we won't need to run in "reduced security" to use FUSE and that was the last kernel extension that remained popular. Probably kexts will be deprecated shortly - rapid security response - it seems also to include changes in Xprotect and mrt

Very curious about userspace filesystems, would be awesome if there's finally a fast solution for this that's well-supported in the OS.
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