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Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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At least two other security changes:

- userspace filesystems: the nail on the coffin for kernel extensions. Now we won't need to run in "reduced security" to use FUSE and that was the last kernel extension that remained popular. Probably kexts will be deprecated shortly - rapid security response

- it seems also to include changes in Xprotect and mrt

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

#22
Mostly off-topic: have Apple and Microsoft completely given up on non-trivial changes to desktop operating systems? Will MacOS look basically the same in 40 years? Or is the idea that everything will be AR/VR by then and there is no use innovating in this domain?

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The marketing names for macOS and OSX have always been random other than having a general theme to it. The OS in most cases just refers to itself by the number and is what it will show in a lot of scenarios in addition to the marketing name.

> The marketing names for macOS and OSX have always been random other than having a general theme to it. Not entirely true: two of the cats were name variations of their predecessors to express an intent of limited end-user / feature updates and a focus on refinement (even though taxonomically the cats have basically no relationships outside of being cats, mountain lions aren’t even in the same genus as lions)

That's fair. In a similar vein, there was also Sierra and High Sierra.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hasn't it been this way the whole time? Why is your frustration increasing?

Haven't you not been getting food this whole time? Why is your frustration increasing?

Help me understand how being starved for food is analogous to having OS version names that don’t reflect the order of OS releases.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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post #3

Am I the only one increasingly frustrated with macOS's naming scheme? I have no idea what the latest version is. Ubuntu versioning gets this right; you can parse their codenames alphabetically to derive the semantic version. But Apple's heuristic here seems to be "throw a dart at a map of California".

It wasn't much better with big cats. There were two sort of semantically related releases, Leopard/Snow Leopard and Lion/Mountain Lion. Of those on the Leopard/Snow Leopard I thought made sense as Snow Leopard was a "oh shit fix all the bugs" release. SL was the first full OS release after the Intel transition and 64-bit kernel.

Yes but it starts to be difficult to keep 18 names in the head, be them cats or California places

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

#26
Lets hope the open core project, namely the Open Core Legacy Patcher[1] will revive some older models to run Ventura. Personally, I'm running a 2014/15 Macbook Air 11" for 7 years now[2] and with "Open Core Legacy" on Monterrey with no issues at all.

[1] https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.ht...

[2] Except the mainboard, display and shell everything else thats modular (wifi card, ssd, battery and keyboard) was replaced/repaired at some point.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

#27
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The marketing names for macOS and OSX have always been random other than having a general theme to it. The OS in most cases just refers to itself by the number and is what it will show in a lot of scenarios in addition to the marketing name.

> The marketing names for macOS and OSX have always been random other than having a general theme to it. Not entirely true: two of the cats were name variations of their predecessors to express an intent of limited end-user / feature updates and a focus on refinement (even though taxonomically the cats have basically no relationships outside of being cats, mountain lions aren’t even in the same genus as lions)

In a sense they sort of did continue this style of convention with Yosemite and El Capitan (the latter being in the former), Sierra and High Sierra.

It’s only in the last few releases that the dart board has come out

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

#28

Mostly off-topic: have Apple and Microsoft completely given up on non-trivial changes to desktop operating systems? Will MacOS look basically the same in 40 years? Or is the idea that everything will be AR/VR by then and there is no use innovating in this domain?

I guess you'd need to set a goal post of what counts as trivial?

Many of the things mentioned in the article aren't trivial. They may be smaller in scope, but size (large / small) are different than complexity.

You can take a look at what's new in Ventura https://www.apple.com/macos/macos-ventura-preview/features/ but that's not even getting into the under pinnings.

Similarly Microsoft made fairly significant changes to Windows between 10 and 11, and several times to 10 within its life cycle.

Unless you're talking purely visual design, in which case what kind of changes would you expect without upending people's workflow?

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

#29

At least two other security changes: - userspace filesystems: the nail on the coffin for kernel extensions. Now we won't need to run in "reduced security" to use FUSE and that was the last kernel extension that remained popular. Probably kexts will be deprecated shortly - rapid security response - it seems also to include changes in Xprotect and mrt

Do you have any links on the userspace filesystems? There's a few things I'd like to develop in that regard without getting into kexts

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

#30

Mostly off-topic: have Apple and Microsoft completely given up on non-trivial changes to desktop operating systems? Will MacOS look basically the same in 40 years? Or is the idea that everything will be AR/VR by then and there is no use innovating in this domain?

Swap “everything will be AR/VR” to “everyone uses mobile as primary devices” and I think it’s a better guess. Or maybe “everyone have at least two computer devices”. I feel like the goal is to have the most seamless experience between tablets, smartphones and desktop, and impactful changes that don’t work towards that goal are just discarded.
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