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The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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Post by jonsen »

chongli wrote: post #107
dbspin wrote: post #100

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Genuine question, do you know any artists? This isn't the case generally; certainly amongst ordinary working visual artists - who are demonstrably open minded, centred, and interpersonally engaged. I can't speak to Damien Hirst level centimillionaires, who represent an invisibly small fraction of working artists.

Apologies for nitpicking but the prefix you're looking for is hecto-. The prefix centi- means 1/100 [1], implying that Damien Hirst has only $10,000 to his name, starving artist level wealth! [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix#List_of_SI_prefi...

Millionaire is not an SI unit, so centi- is not an SI prefix here.

Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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Post by goosedragons »

gls2ro wrote: post #217
paulryanrogers wrote: post #175

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IDK. Doggedly sticking to a single button mouse. Putting charging port on the bottom of a mouse because designers know best. Calculators that produce wrong answers if one types before the beautiful animations finish. Keyboards so thin and heavily integrated dust can break them, and cannot be repaired without accessing main board. Evidence suggests to me that Apple's record on utility is mixed.

I personally like the single button mouse. It is the only mouse I got so far that on MacOS let me scroll webpages up and down, left and right without any effort. I really like that the almost the whole surface is active and have gestures. I agree that for video games not having dedicated buttons is not ok. I dont play those so for me this is the perfect mouse. Being using them from the first generation I think 2010-2…

Loads and loads of mice can do horizontal scrolling while having two mice buttons, e.g. Logitech MX Master, Razer Naga, etc. It's not uncommon for high end mice to have a mouse wheel you can tilt left or right to scroll left or right or some other system.

The Magic and Mighty mice support horizontal scrolling in spite of being one button mice and not because they are one button mice. Apple laptops kept with the whole one button thing even into 2000s where it was pretty painful as there was no scroll mechanism at all, no right click mechanism at all besides a key combo.

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Post by solarkraft »

deergomoo wrote: post #163

Putting software design under the hardware design folks after Forstall was outed was and remains disastrous IMO. Dye and his team continue to make beautiful hardware but fuck me hiding every function of a program behind a hover state or overflow menu absolutely kills usability. Productivity is being sacrificed for some weird notion of “cleanliness”. We’re all running displays with millions of pixels, we can afford bu…

I also find software quality to be getting worse (more glitches and bugs, which can be very distracting), but I actually like having the main UI as free of distraction as possible. Though I'll agree they've overshot their goal a little/are focusing on the wrong things in places (I always use the search to crop things in preview).

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Post by makeitdouble »

refurb wrote: post #210
socialdemocrat wrote: post #201

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This and what Elon Musk did keep getting me struck by how little protection workers in the US have. Fired on a whim. But so do remember when working at American companies all the horror stories we heard about how our colleagues working in America got treated. It became these “did you hear the latest crazy thing they did in the US office?” I am not saying this to dump on America but hopefully to get people to demand b…

If you publicly trash your company (externally or just broadly internally) in other countries you’re saying you won’t be fired? Or face some discipline? That hasn’t been my experience at all.

There's a lot of nuance as usual. Firing you over provably true statements or things you said strictly as a private individual can have harsher consequences for the company (you can be let go but they'd need to pay a pretty heavy severance)

I am not a lawyer, but I'd expect you'd need to be revealing company secrets, or have a public speaking position in the first place (e.g. you work for PR) and your declarations make you unfit for the job, or leave proofs that your goal was to damage the company, to be in a position as weak as in the US.

imagine otherwise how tough it would be to do political or ideological activism on your private time.

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Post by jefftk »

5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #229
the_af wrote: post #208

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> “not all ideas make the cut, even the best ones” I'm not sure I understand. If the best ideas don't make the cut, which ones do? Or was Jony acknowledging a flaw in Apple's process?

Yeah like having a standard USB port on a laptop in 2020. At least they fixed it now.

You mean a USB A port? They brought back MagSafe, HDMI, and the SD card slot, but for USB it's still only USB C.

Re: The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

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Post by justin66 »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #202
protastus wrote: post #50

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Anyone in a leadership position has a responsibility to measure their words carefully, especially in a farewell email. "Sadly, rivers dry out, and when they do, you look for a new one." broadcasts extreme negativity to the people who remain. It almost reads like a cautionary warning followed by advice. One can write a heartfelt goodbye without ambiguity. Assuming the ambiguity was unintentional, the author was carele…

Sounds like you demand that people walk on eggshells around some thin skinned psychopath. It is human to make some mistakes or miscommunicate. The normal thing would be to have a talk and clear things up. Management must react when an employee keeps screwing up despite feedback. Here was a one strike rule. Even the California prison system is more easy going than that ;-)

> Sounds like you demand that people walk on eggshells around some thin skinned psychopath.

If you're almost vested and planning on leaving very soon, that is not a terrible approach to take, even if the parties involved are not psychopaths.

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Post by refurb »

makeitdouble wrote: post #244
refurb wrote: post #210

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If you publicly trash your company (externally or just broadly internally) in other countries you’re saying you won’t be fired? Or face some discipline? That hasn’t been my experience at all.

There's a lot of nuance as usual. Firing you over provably true statements or things you said strictly as a private individual can have harsher consequences for the company (you can be let go but they'd need to pay a pretty heavy severance) I am not a lawyer, but I'd expect you'd need to be revealing company secrets, or have a public speaking position in the first place (e.g. you work for PR) and your declarations ma…

Use the example in the article. You basically write a letter to your fellow employees saying (I’ll paraphrase) “im outta here because the talents and ideas that made this place successful are gone”.

Can you do that in Europe and face no consequences?

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Post by saagarjha »

Nathanba wrote: post #224
scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #49

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Well, it’s not his own poetry - it’s some Persian classic he’s quoting so you could probably look into it and find a whole well-spring of deep knowledge explaining exactly what he meant by it. In the letter he talks about his own soul, and the experience of deep work being like that of a river. So it’s pretty clear he’s talking about what’s on his interior spiritually. From a designer “I am barren and in a creative r…

If the team was truly so tight knit then you wouldn't need to write an email to convey that you are leaving. I'm personally always flabbergasted by people who write company wide farewell messages. It's a net negative for the company to hear about people leaving. It doesn't matter what the reason for leaving is except if it's that the person won the lottery. Any other reason: Why not stay here? What's so unsustainable…

Messages in advance of a departure help transfer responsibilities during the transition period.

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Post by relaxing »

jefftk wrote: post #245
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah like having a standard USB port on a laptop in 2020. At least they fixed it now.

You mean a USB A port? They brought back MagSafe, HDMI, and the SD card slot, but for USB it's still only USB C.

Wow, I somehow also had the misconception that USB A was back. I wonder how this shared delusion spread.

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Post by MichaelZuo »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #202
protastus wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone in a leadership position has a responsibility to measure their words carefully, especially in a farewell email. "Sadly, rivers dry out, and when they do, you look for a new one." broadcasts extreme negativity to the people who remain. It almost reads like a cautionary warning followed by advice. One can write a heartfelt goodbye without ambiguity. Assuming the ambiguity was unintentional, the author was carele…

Sounds like you demand that people walk on eggshells around some thin skinned psychopath. It is human to make some mistakes or miscommunicate. The normal thing would be to have a talk and clear things up. Management must react when an employee keeps screwing up despite feedback. Here was a one strike rule. Even the California prison system is more easy going than that ;-)

How do you know they didn't have a talk and the email writer refused to send a clarification email in apology?

We are only getting one side of the story after all.

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