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Experts once predicted that Americans would face excess leisure time (2015)

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Re: Experts once predicted that Americans would face excess leisure time (2015)

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I went to a "progressive" school where we had one strange class called "Design For Living". Today we'd probably call it "lifehacking". Among the fascinating and odd topics was a lesson on managing free time.

The premise was a (socialist?) vision that everything would be done by robots by 2000, and we would have to find good hobbies and interests, keep fit and volunteer doing good things for our communities.

I think digital technology did the opposite in many ways. It turned us into robots.

Another thing I noted while reading the article is it mentions trades as the best sort of work. If you're a plumber, bricklayer, or electrician then every job has an end. A wall is finished when you lay the last brick.

By contrast, digital work is almost never finished. Everything keeps changing, everything breaks and needs fixing, there's always one more revision or update... we have truly created a diabolical machine to enslave ourselves to.

Like that page that said "You have reached the end of the Internet", I sometimes wonder if Microsoft might one day release "Windows Final Edition" , the operating system that is finished.

Go home developers. Your work is complete. Well done!

Re: Experts once predicted that Americans would face excess leisure time (2015)

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I am amazed at the disdain for leisure and "free" time and "slacking" in the comments here.

If a person has enough to survive, why would they toil and labour? Just do whatever you like!

I suspect a big problem is that many people actually don't know what they like to do. Most people with full-time jobs I know don't have much energy left after their workday, and thus the only "leisure" they are still capable of and thus know is low-effort "comfortable" things like watching TV/YT/netflix. (If you like TV, great for you, but it being the 'default' might be a problem)

Re: Experts once predicted that Americans would face excess leisure time (2015)

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Social instability and riots - I assume you are referring to Black Lives Matter - did not happen due to "too much free time", JFC. They happened because police were routinely murdering Black people and there was/is a massive disparity in wealth.

I have no horse in this race being outside the states.

Yet from here, BLM seems to clearly be a US election phenomena rather than a general desire to fix things. It basically disappeared after the last election and the election before that.

I'd happily bet on it arising again in 2024.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2015-10-01%202...

Re: Experts once predicted that Americans would face excess leisure time (2015)

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People do have excess free time. How else can you manage to waste 4+ hours on streaming and social media per day?

Many people do that at work, because for most white collar professions it's simply impossible to stay productive the full length of the day one is expected to "work" (traditionally spend at an office).

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>> the world as it is now was not build with “work from home”

That seems like a very conservative outlook. History has taught us that progress is overwhelmingly good for society and the downsides are:

    a) small by comparison to the upsides
    b) far smaller than the downsides of rejecting progress, failing to adapt and letting entropy take hold

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Clearly the feudal lords had the right idea: keep the working class poor, hungry, and uneducated. Better than risking social equity! /s

The feudal lords got refreshed by the regular uprising or invading army.

Re: Experts once predicted that Americans would face excess leisure time (2015)

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People do have excess free time. How else can you manage to waste 4+ hours on streaming and social media per day?

>> excess free time

If you live in a free country, how can you have a concept of excess free time?

Surely the goal for free people is to maximise time free to do as they please? Otherwise they’re by some definition not free.

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