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Experts once predicted that Americans would face excess leisure time (2015)

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Re: Experts once predicted that Americans would face excess leisure time (2015)

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Too much free time can be as bad as little free time (). In another thread from today there is a game for simulating an economic model, I wonder if in that model they consider the amount of free time as an important nonlinear variable.

() https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2021/09/too-much-fre...

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Right, it was "the media"'s fault. New "devil made me so it"? I suppose the cops killing unarmed people and maiming journalists also did it because of the media and free time.

What are your views on the cause of the american civil war and war of independence? Did the papers back then cause it all?

I can't believe how fast casual racism is regressing.

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CNN, like Fox News and every other news organisation, are entertainment channels giving the public what they want. This is like blaming your alcoholism on Budweiser or your obesity on McDonalds. Sure, it’s certainly part of the problem, but it’s hardly the primary cause. People are lazy, and learning the truth about complicated things is harder than just making your mind up quickly based on garbage information.

That's... Absolutely not how TV works. They don't create an endless series of alternative formats and beta test them. They ape existing formats for the biggest slice of the same pool of already addicted viewers. So over time, a local maxima is achieved - serving eye catching 'hot' stimuli, violence primary (due to American cultural prohibitions around sex). Since there's little choice (red or blue essentially) the public can't express their preference for an alternative through anything other than switching mediums. And in a more democratic medium - youtube, facebook etc - you don't see the same level of artifice, bombasticism, violence etc, in the most popular videos.

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If you check previous revolutions and mass movements, overstressed, overworked and underpaid masses are as dangerous, or even more than, well, just overstressed masses. It's not live, laugh, love white middle class that was rioting, because WFH was too much of a burden.

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CNN, like Fox News and every other news organisation, are entertainment channels giving the public what they want. This is like blaming your alcoholism on Budweiser or your obesity on McDonalds. Sure, it’s certainly part of the problem, but it’s hardly the primary cause. People are lazy, and learning the truth about complicated things is harder than just making your mind up quickly based on garbage information.

That's... Absolutely not how TV works. They don't create an endless series of alternative formats and beta test them. They ape existing formats for the biggest slice of the same pool of already addicted viewers. So over time, a local maxima is achieved - serving eye catching 'hot' stimuli, violence primary (due to American cultural prohibitions around sex). Since there's little choice (red or blue essentially) the pu…

This is exactly the point though. People are not choosing alternatives, as they want to be brainwashed.

Even then, YouTube is rife with Ben Shapiro/Russell Brand/Jordan Peterson/Bill Maher/etc. videos regardless.

Social media is an utter dumpster fire for nonsense propaganda and misinformation.

The web has become vastly more manipulated than mainstream media.

People want to be entertained, and they want to be told what to think.

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You mean when people were forced to stay home for months, deprived of social contact, and denied a normal life due to a global pandemic which was killing their friends and family?

Yes surely this is a good representative experiment.

Re: Experts once predicted that Americans would face excess leisure time (2015)

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Freedom is an important part of the American identity (arguably the defining part, at least aspirationally), and I believe in freedom.

But we should recognize that humans are sometimes happier having some clear directions to follow and tasks to perform. Depends on the person and the situation, of course.

But it's also human nature that everyone wants to be the one giving the directions, even if it makes them unhappy.

Re: Experts once predicted that Americans would face excess leisure time (2015)

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Too much free time can be as bad as little free time ( ). In another thread from today there is a game for simulating an economic model, I wonder if in that model they consider the amount of free time as an important nonlinear variable. ( ) https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2021/09/too-much-fre...

"can be as bad" does not convey the same meaning as "'may' be 'almost' as bad," as the article actually says. Furthermore the article does not say the 'badness' is equivalent. In fact it says:

> Once again, the researchers found that higher levels of free time were significantly associated with higher levels of well-being, but only up to a point. After that, excess free time was not associated with greater well-being.

The point made is more similar to wealth correlating to happiness up to a point. The article concludes that it's a sense of purpose that matters to people, not work. Your comment is a bit obfuscating.

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A lot of jobs, if not a majority, tend to be jobs with no future prospect, low pay, little to no healthcare insurance, and an absence of meaning. Those jobs didn't offer something to drive or strive towards then, and still do not. Why would one want to live for this, slaving away?

Thinking there is inherent meaning in salaried or at-will work is more ideological than factual. This can be scrapped for: being creative or productive with one's time. And this isn't tied to a job contract to an employer that is, more often than not, brutal to you.

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