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Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

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Post by jollybean »

DantesKite wrote: post #159
zackmorris wrote: post #138

I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…

I can give some context for what may have happened because I went through something similar. My two cents is the biggest factors were the keto and the stress. A low carb, high fat diet does not traditionally feature intact plant cell walls, or what we otherwise know as "fiber". There are literally thousands of different of variations of "fiber" of which we have catalogued only a few, but these structures feed the mic…

"Through much, much trial and error and a lot of scientific article research, I've found the most consistent way to ..." etc..

Unless one has done proper, randomized, medical trials, I don't see how anyone could use such unambiguous language.

These n=1 experiences lacking in objectivity and also likely proper measures might help us discover new ground for things that might work (i.e. the basis for a trail), but without any testing it's not something any reasonable person should be walking around saying 'works', unless you mean to indicate you're referring to the literature.

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Post by smt88 »

jstx1 wrote: post #141
zackmorris wrote: post #138

I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…

So difficult to pick out which part of this had what effect though.

Or none of it had any effect, and something psychological or undiagnosed was resolved.

It's a completely meaningless list for us and (possibly) for OP.

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Post by tekno45 »

zackmorris wrote: post #138

I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…

Gonna be honest. I love brussel sprouts but i found a TON of dirt in my last batch and have been super apprehensive.

Just wondering. How do you clean your brussel sprouts?

I roast mine with olive oil and fairly simple spices.

Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

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Post by ada1981 »

Hellbanevil wrote: post #156
phkahler wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't even want to joke about that on HN, but it did cross my mind. Find a happy healthy person and (somehow) ask them for some fecal matter and do a transplant. Or just start licking butts... ugh

I don't think licking butts would do it. The gastric acids in the stomach might kill most of the good stuff? Now a turkey baster with a partner whom has no STD's might be doable. I once had a perpetually happy virginal, before me, girlfriend whom would have made a perfect donor.

“Your sexual partners can change your microbiome, a new study in mice finds“

https://www.statnews.com/2019/04/05/your-sexual-partners-can...

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Post by blindmute »

tekno45 wrote: post #163
zackmorris wrote: post #138

I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…

Gonna be honest. I love brussel sprouts but i found a TON of dirt in my last batch and have been super apprehensive. Just wondering. How do you clean your brussel sprouts? I roast mine with olive oil and fairly simple spices.

It's dirt. You'll be fine.

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Post by DoreenMichele »

However, the level of these health-promoting gut bacteria decreased again over the following four weeks. “It may be that four weeks of treatment is not long enough and that it takes longer for the new composition of the intestinal flora to stabilize,” explains Anna-Chiara Schaub, one of the lead authors of the study.

Or maybe it's a moving target and people eat every day and their eating habits are part of why their gut is a mess to begin with.

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Post by triyambakam »

DantesKite wrote: post #159
zackmorris wrote: post #138

I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…

I can give some context for what may have happened because I went through something similar. My two cents is the biggest factors were the keto and the stress. A low carb, high fat diet does not traditionally feature intact plant cell walls, or what we otherwise know as "fiber". There are literally thousands of different of variations of "fiber" of which we have catalogued only a few, but these structures feed the mic…

Thank you for sharing about the importance of fiber. What seemed to work for my wife: a regimen of three times daily for two weeks of herbs for dysbiosis (dill, tarragon, thyme, olive leaf and wormwood) then repopulation with fermented foods (mostly sauerkraut) and large intake of various fibre from beans, seeds, greens, and fruits.

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Post by bobthepanda »

tekno45 wrote: post #163
zackmorris wrote: post #138

I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…

Gonna be honest. I love brussel sprouts but i found a TON of dirt in my last batch and have been super apprehensive. Just wondering. How do you clean your brussel sprouts? I roast mine with olive oil and fairly simple spices.

You just rinse them in a bowl of water.

Re: Probiotics can support the effect of antidepressants

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Post by DoreenMichele »

jollybean wrote: post #158
zackmorris wrote: post #138

I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…

How do you know any of that worked? You can't do all that stuff to yourself - and - go through COVID (and other things) which has caused widespread depression, and assume any of that had an affect one wary or another without a fairly big randomized trial isolating all of those elements. Even just the notion of 'regime' will change people's psyches via placebo. I mean, I would certainly 'feel' healthy if I did such a…

Contrary to popular opinion, it is possible for an individual to somewhat confidently conclude that X helps them as an individual without checking it against large randomized trials.

It's handwavy about some things but it doesn't assert anything beyond "I did this list of things and I, as an individual, am better now."

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Post by randycupertino »

DantesKite wrote: post #159
zackmorris wrote: post #138

I finally beat my digestive issues and chronic fatigue (physical depression) which lasted 3+ years from 2019-2021. Without getting too far into it, here's the stuff that finally worked, weighted by immediacy on a scale of 10: - 10: Eating a serving of Brussels sprouts, preferably daily - 10: Taking about 3 psyllium husk capsules occasionally with FODMAP and spicy meals - 10: Taking a digestive enzyme occasionally wit…

I can give some context for what may have happened because I went through something similar. My two cents is the biggest factors were the keto and the stress. A low carb, high fat diet does not traditionally feature intact plant cell walls, or what we otherwise know as "fiber". There are literally thousands of different of variations of "fiber" of which we have catalogued only a few, but these structures feed the mic…

I've noticed my mental health is so much better when I'm outside for an hour a day. I worry about aging and skincare, but decided I'd rather look old but be happy vs be miserable and look good! I generally wear a hat and high spf on my face, neck and chest but let everywhere else soak up the Vitamin D.
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