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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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These aren't inconsistent. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences, if said consequences do not restrict future freedom of speech.

For this to be consistent you have to define access to a Twitter account as more important to ones future freedom of speech than being able to put a roof over your head.

False hidden equivance where you asssert that getting fired from SpaceX is the same as being banned from ever taking employment again.

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i uninstalled twitter off my phone to stop the elon musk notifications. i guess i'll miss out on his future crowdsource pump and dumps, but that's pretty sketch anyhow.

i have a lot of respect for tesla and what they've done, i'll be able to maintain that respect with the tweets squelched.

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Considering Elon's modus operandi "Does it help to set up a colony on Mars?" the course of action was predictable.

I also welcome left-leaning people to research hardline right to have a reality check and realize he's taking pretty centrist stance.

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Surprised? No. There's no large company in the world where attacking top management won't lead to major consequences. Of course, SpaceX (and Google, along with a stack of other "tech" companies) wasn't supposed to be just another large company; they wanted to disrupt things, and wanted fanatical buy-in from their employees, customers, and fans. (Corporate fans? Really?) It'll take a while, because religions don't die…

> There's no large company in the world where attacking top management won't lead to major consequences. What's interesting to me is that capitalists and usually conservatives and libertarians who worship capitalism are all too vocal when it comes to socialist and communist economic policies supposedly leading to fascism, although they don't, but yet, they are fully behind corporations literally acting as fascist dic…

My politics are probably more aligned with yours than theirs, but if you're open to being unboggled:

It's easy to draw a categorical divide between authorities who are (ostensibly) submitted to voluntarily or transactionally; and authorities whose power is asserted by sovereign monopoly of force.

Many social organizations from families, to churches, to corporations are essentially authoritarian, but (conceptually if not always practically) you're able to remove yourself from them straightforwardly.

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Elon's behavior has gotten so erratic and gross in the last year that I'm done defending him, I am now embarrassed to own a Tesla, and now no longer want to work at SpaceX one day.

So what car would you rather own ? Which car company has owners that align with your values?

I can't even name another car company CEO. Musk brought this kind of reaction on Tesla by closely associating Tesla's brand with his own personal brand. This cuts both ways though and what was once a net positive is starting to turn negative.

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They critized Musk, factually. Musk is not their employer, SpaceX is, but you just proved their point since you believe Musk and SpaceX are one and the same.

They were fired for harassing their colleagues and wasting work time and resources.

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Seems pretty consistent. He's big into pretending to be for freedom of speech and never being for it if it ever actually matters. I see a lot of people here saying any billionaire boss would do the same, well, yes, that's the point, but the thing is that he very consistently and incessantly lies about not being like those "other" people and being for principles that he has never once stood for in reality. I don't rec…

The Facts that you have presented to the Elon defense force gave the Elon defense force uncomfortable Feelings. Not Respecting the very important and precious Feelings of the Elon defense force and their meme coin twitter daddy is just about the very worst thing you can do! I hope that you will moderate your wrongthink in the future, comrade!

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Worst thing? His influencing is central to his success. Unfortunately for civil discourse, it’s more effective to create controversial messaging that resonates with your followers, than sanitized messaging that is generally inoffensive. Controversial messaging makes your supporters increasingly loyal and attentive, as the noise from vocal ‘haters’ just keeps feeding your base. It’s perverse, it’s toxic, it’s exhausti…

> Worst thing? His influencing is central to his success. Musk has been more unhinged in his online activities than ever in the past six months or so, coinciding with a 45% slide in TSLA share price. Hypothesizing that his social media addiction is central to his 'success' would be pretty easy to test by simply comparing TSLA's performance to another auto manufacturer, e.g. Ford or GM. Doing that, TSLA is not showing…

Not according to BusinessInsider [1] that notes that he lashes out in the media to cover particularly bad moments for Tesla. We saw this tactic being used over and over again during the previous Presidency. It works so well because there is only so much room ‘above the fold’. So as long as you fill it with a sensational nothingburger, then damage is controlled.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-lashing-out-recess...

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Wasn't it an internal letter that was leaked? I mean sure, being leaked is a predictable consequence, but it may be a distinction with a difference if the criticizers didn't themselves leak it. Regardless, will be interesting to see how this plays out. If I were one of those employees, I'd be talking to a lawyer. If I was one of the employees still working at SpaceX, I'd be talking about a union. We recently unionize…

Getting fired for insubordination isn't a protected class. The former employees don't have a case.

> insubordination isn't a protected class

Any bets on whether (CEO == assclown) is a protected class?

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