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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by colinmhayes »

Thaxll wrote: post #195
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars I think there is a misconception here, SpaceX does not send anyone to space, NASA, ESA etc .. does. SpaceX builds rockets that's it, they don't train astronaut or have a program for space exploration or missions.

As far as I can tell NASA had no plans to return to the moon until spaceX came around with starship. Hard for me to say spaceX isn’t the direct reason for the planned mission

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Post by newaccount2021 »

yokoprime wrote: post #271
gfodor wrote: post #210

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Wow. Just wow. The "radical" US left equals the conservative right in many European countries. While you certainly may think Europe is full of "second tier countries", I think it's time to broaden your horizons. If anything the problem is they are ineffective and are poor at keeping file and rank compared to the GOP. The GOP on the other-hand tries to drive the US towards a ultra-conservative future, erasing the sepa…

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Post by rfrey »

blocked_again wrote: post #120
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

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Unionizing is pure free market. Workers are holders and sellers of labour (which free market advocates typically class as a commodity). They bargain for the best contract in exchange for that labour. Why is a worker's optimization of their commodity lame and negative, whereas a company's optimization for profit is not?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by deltaonefour »

axg11 wrote: post #110

This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…

Yeah this is true. But also the employer publicly firing those who sent the letter without some form of discussion also looks really really bad. People have an expectation of a CEO to have a really "mature" and controlled temperament.

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Post by doyouevensunbro »

justrando wrote: post #183
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

> I really get the sense that people are increasingly getting sick of hearing from or about him. YMMV. I'm just a rando on the internet so maybe not representative, but this uBlock snippet makes anything related to Twitter or Elon invisible on the Guardian front page. Definitely improved my QoL ##.fc-item__container:has-text(/\bElon\b/) ##.fc-item__container:has-text(/\bTwitter\b/)

Thank you for this, internet stranger!

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Post by jaywalk »

fooblaster wrote: post #248
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A slide into a second tier country? I lament the difficulty I have in understanding how one to come to this belief after the last 10 years. It's like we don't even share the same facts anymore.

Are you saying the US is already a second-tier country, or that it's not sliding into that status?

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Post by mwint »

omnicognate wrote: post #253
Hayvok wrote: post #238

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> giving people Elon fatigue is his politics. > I really get the sense that people are increasingly getting sick of hearing from or about him. YMMV. YMMV indeed, because every conservative I talk to is seeing him as a hero who is finally speaking truth to power, and calling B.S. on the establishment (political, corporate HR, academic) narratives that have been running through the culture. They aren’t sick of him at a…

But are they buying Teslas?

More than you would think. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/03/cars/tesla-buyer-politics...

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Post by MPSimmons »

deltaonefour wrote: post #241
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

Eh he comes off as a normal human being to me. Definitely quite awful, but that's also very normal. The difference between Elon and others is that Elon doesn't put on as big of a facade. There are CEO's who are psychopaths and are much worse then Elon but are much better at keeping their actual persona hidden. Elon is just as awful as the next human being. We tend to have a higher set of expectations for people in El…

> The difference between Elon and others is that Elon doesn't put on as big of a facade.

It is fascinating to me that you see Elon as not putting on a facade, rather than his public face constantly being a changing facade.

As far as I can tell, Elon has two modes: "engineering", which is where he's super awkward and, as far as I can tell, totally and completely honest, if optimistic on capabilities and timeframes, and "public", which is where he's totally erratic and populist.

His twitter persona is almost totally public. Nothing is serious, everything is flippant, and his opinions sway with the breeze, or on the basis of who he feels slighted him most recently.

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Post by les_diabolique »

pyronik19 wrote: post #175
rg111 wrote: post #147

Musk talked so much about "free speech" in recent times! This move is embarrassing. You can't just fire people for criticism.

You have freedom of speech just not freedom from consequences :)

What's the different between freedom of speech with consequences and not having freedom of speech?

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Post by mountainriver »

memish wrote: post #273
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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Yes exactly, Elon isn’t some cringe conservative he’s very middle of the road left leaning but the democrats have gone so tribal that’s now not okay.

Most of America shares Elons values you probably just wouldn’t know it with the way the polar ends skew the picture

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