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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by bakuninsbart »

gfodor wrote: post #210
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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I'm not American, and definetely not an expert on your politics, but like many other digital native Europeans hold pretty strong opinions on them anyway. I would honestly like to learn what in your opinion the actions of the Democrats are that lead to you sliding into second tier. From my perspective most of the blame would have to be put on Republicans.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by daenz »

enumjorge wrote: post #225
daenz wrote: post #118

>The letter asked SpaceX management to publicly separate the company from Mr. Musk’s personal brand, and to take steps to address what it said was a gap between SpaceX’s stated values and its current systems and company culture. >“Blanketing thousands of people across the company with repeated unsolicited emails and asking them to sign letters and fill out unsponsored surveys during the work day is not acceptable,” S…

It would be unexpected for a company run by a free speech absolutist.

I had to look up what a free speech absolutist was[0]. As far as the definition goes, which is about opposing any speech restrictions from the state, I don't see how the internal communications of a private company falls under that.

0. https://www.liberties.eu/en/stories/free-speech-absolutist/4...

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by omnicognate »

Hayvok wrote: post #238
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

> giving people Elon fatigue is his politics. > I really get the sense that people are increasingly getting sick of hearing from or about him. YMMV. YMMV indeed, because every conservative I talk to is seeing him as a hero who is finally speaking truth to power, and calling B.S. on the establishment (political, corporate HR, academic) narratives that have been running through the culture. They aren’t sick of him at a…

But are they buying Teslas?

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Post by thepasswordis »

Good. According to Shotwells response they were basically harassing the rest of the staff and trying to get them to turn on the company.

Fire them immediately. Name and shame them so that they have to explain this behavior to their next employer. This type of thing is so toxic and so abusive to everybody they try to suck into it.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by adolph »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #184
onelovetwo wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's at his lowest point in the eyes of the media (which is how most of us see the world) but hes actually at the highest point in his career and achievements. Tesla is about to explode in production with their "biggest building in the world factory" in texas, berlin and china. SpaceX is about to achieve the holy grail of the space industry (an affordable and reusable rocket) not to mention Starlink.

Tesla has always been "about to explode" in one way or another. When will people realize that manufacturing businesses, when they are limited by property and equipment, are slow-burning? Also, "reusable" doesn't matter as much as "affordable" for rockets. I am waiting for one of the smaller companies with a dirt cheap rocket to eat SpaceX's lunch.

The significant component of affordability for rockets is the cost of mass to orbit. Think airline model not private aviation.

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Post by justinph »

axg11 wrote: post #110

This is a very predictable consequence of criticizing your employer via a public letter. Criticize internally all you want, and influence the changes that you want to see happen. Employment is a two-way relationship. If you don't like your employer, you are free to leave. If they don't like you, they are free to fire you (within legal bounds). Publishing an openly critical letter and signing it is a quick way to get…

Wasn't it an internal letter that was leaked? I mean sure, being leaked is a predictable consequence, but it may be a distinction with a difference if the criticizers didn't themselves leak it.

Regardless, will be interesting to see how this plays out. If I were one of those employees, I'd be talking to a lawyer. If I was one of the employees still working at SpaceX, I'd be talking about a union. We recently unionized at my employer, it is great to know we have each other's back.

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Post by zenlf »

> “Blanketing thousands of people across the company with repeated unsolicited emails and asking them to sign letters and fill out unsponsored surveys during the work day is not acceptable,” she said.

If this were true, I don’t see a problem here. This is harassment

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Post by lp0_on_fire »

huhwat wrote: post #207
andsoitis wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> democracy as long as it's not within his companies. Can you name a single company that operates as a democracy?

There are many worker coops that operate as a democracy, some of them quite large. From manufacturing to food service to coding to agriculture, they are in nearly every sector. Maybe this is news to you, but the arrangement isn't that uncommon.

Not the person to whom you were responding but lets refine the question: can you name one at the size and scale of Telsa or SpaceX?

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by nerbert »

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

I hear that cofounder thing about Tesla every now and then. Doesn't matter when the company was founded, if someone joined before the company finds its market fit, that person is legitimate to be called cofounder imo.
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