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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by orangepurple »

heyflyguy wrote: post #136
keremkacel wrote: post #115

Isn't this against some non-retaliation laws?

I would be willing to bet that in the employee handbook it requires that nobody act in a nature that is contrary to the advancement of the company. This most certainly is, and is also likely easily cited as a lack of productivity of the employee while being paid by the company.

Illegal policies are not enforced by courts. For instance, forced arbitrarion clauses, no discussions of wages, non-disparagement (Does your company say you aren't allowed to say negative things about the company, whether online or otherwise? Again, this probably violates your right to discuss working conditions), confidential information (if it violates your right to discuss working conditions), or social media prohibitions (if the company social media policy says you aren't allowed to discuss or disparage the company in social media, that may well violate your right to complain about working conditions)

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by enumjorge »

onelovetwo wrote: post #152
chasd00 wrote: post #125

Twitter is the worst thing to happen to Musk. The social media addiction knows no class/age/wealth/religious/creed boundary. It’s like social cancer that slowly destroys your relationship to society. Musk has done great things but these days I think he’s at his lowest point. /I’ve said this about three times now in threads like these.

He's at his lowest point in the eyes of the media (which is how most of us see the world) but hes actually at the highest point in his career and achievements. Tesla is about to explode in production with their "biggest building in the world factory" in texas, berlin and china. SpaceX is about to achieve the holy grail of the space industry (an affordable and reusable rocket) not to mention Starlink.

> in the eyes of the media

Everyone can see his tweets, public statements and interviews. Musk is doing a great job embarrassing himself without the help of “the media”.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by jeffbee »

pyronik19 wrote: post #175
rg111 wrote: post #147

Musk talked so much about "free speech" in recent times! This move is embarrassing. You can't just fire people for criticism.

You have freedom of speech just not freedom from consequences :)

Yeah but what Musk means by it is freedom from consequences.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

Geee wrote: post #189
stillbourne wrote: post #165

For being such a huge proponent of free speech he sure seems to hate it when people talk.

That's not how free speech works. Right to speech freely doesn't give you magical protection from consequences of your speech.

"Right to speech freely doesn't give you magical protection from consequences of your speech."

You are correct. Money and power does it, though. Your boss won't get fired for talking badly about you, in general, but you can get fired for talking badly about your boss.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by mschuster91 »

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

> A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up.

Build quality wise? Definitely, Tesla has a lot of issues there which the established industry has ironed out and perfected over the last hundred years.

Other problems? No way in hell the others can catch up. The old guard of automotive manufacturers simply is too stuck in their old ways - they have to manage the expectations of dealerships (as the only service most electric cars need is brake pad changes and Teslas are sold online, their existence is threatened) and suppliers (your average ICE alone takes something around 1000-2000 distinct parts, whereas electric cars need far fewer for the drivetrain), and no automotive manufacturer has anything resembling a history with developing modern software and it shows everywhere.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by rg111 »

daenz wrote: post #196
rg111 wrote: post #147

Musk talked so much about "free speech" in recent times! This move is embarrassing. You can't just fire people for criticism.

>You can't just fire people for criticism. Why do you believe that?

It looks bad. You can, legally.

But after so many events of signalling support of free-speech, I think it is massively embarrassing.

(I am neither a Musk fan nor a hater)

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Post by huhwat »

andsoitis wrote: post #154
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

> democracy as long as it's not within his companies. Can you name a single company that operates as a democracy?

There are many worker coops that operate as a democracy, some of them quite large. From manufacturing to food service to coding to agriculture, they are in nearly every sector.

Maybe this is news to you, but the arrangement isn't that uncommon.

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #112
alkonaut wrote: post #100

Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…

So Howard Hughes? I don't know that I ever found Musk likable though. EDIT: I was thinking about my answer to "When did you stop liking Elon Musk?" and I suppose it was when he seemed to go on a tangent calling a rescuer a pedophile. That was a WTF moment for me.

I always thought he was more like William C. Durant. Both Hughes and Durant have sad endings though.

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Post by ravenstine »

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

> He's just another rich cringe conservative.

Cringe, yes, he may be. Conservative? Maybe in the opportunist sense. At most, I think he's much closer to being libertarian and would otherwise be left leaning if the mainstream left hadn't drifted so far left. Elon really wants people to get out of the way of his view of progress. Yes, I'm sure ego is a part of that, but when is it not with anyone? I'm not even sure what Elon would be conserving other than whatever ability he has to launch cars into space or dig pointless tunnels.

A better example of a "cringe conservative" would be the My Pillow guy or even Lindsay Graham. And many would of course say Trump.

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Post by gfodor »

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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