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Please just read the article if you want to argue about it, it's not that long. > And about 1 in 5 with any amount of debt said they don't expect to ever pay it off. That's 20 million people. > About 1 in 7 people with debt said they've been denied access to a hospital, doctor, or other provider because of unpaid bills, according to the poll. That's 14 million people. > An even greater share ― about two-thirds ― have…
> Half of U.S. adults don't have the cash to cover an unexpected $500 health care bill I recognize that this is an important discussion to have to improve US healthcare, so I’m not outright disagreeing with you. But I think this is a bit editorialized. Paying with cash is so rare in society. I don’t even have the cash to pay for my lunch - I just use a credit card. It shouldn’t be surprising. Half of U.S. adults said…
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Blame Democrats for the college educated urban-dominated coalition they’ve deliberately chosen. I recall some activist types talking a few years ago about whether pro life Dems like Manchin should be kicked out of the party. Though it’s the House not the Senate, Dems just lost a longtime majority-Hispanic seat in south Texas: https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/14/texas-special-electi... . To give you an idea of the…
Republicans abandoned people who are in favor of abortion. Republicans abandoned liberal Republicans like Bill Weld. Every party abandons people. Democrats consistently hold majority views on a wide range of policy issues and consistently have more votes in national elections. Gerrymandering so that urban centers lose their voting power and other election rigging techniques is what is holding back Democratic policies…
Sure. My point is that the party made this choice deliberately. Trying to pin the blame on Joe Manchin, who is doing yeoman’s work holding onto a key part of the old FDR coalition, is disingenuous.
> Democrats consistently hold majority views on a wide range of policy issues and consistently have more votes in national elections.
The views of the party leadership and donor base and closely affiliated NGOs do not have consistent majority support. For example, Dems have basically allowed NARAL, etc., to be the voice of the party on abortion. But a strong majority of Americans oppose second trimester abortions, which are guaranteed by Roe, and a quarter of democrats identify as “pro life.” That’s more than ones who identify as “very liberal.” The party used to get that, carving out a space for folks like Manchin in WV and Tom Daschle in SD.
> Gerrymandering so that urban centers lose their voting power and other election rigging techniques is what is holding back Democratic policies.
Republicans have won the Congressional popular vote slightly more than half of the time since 1990. They’re about to do it again. Gerrymandering doesn’t affect that.
Even in the electoral college, it benefitted Democrats not only throughout the 1960s-1980s, but as recently as 2012. Obama would have been able to win a second term even if he lost the popular vote.
> The Democratic Party should not abandon its highly popular core principles to cater to the deranged apportionment that the U.S. has.
Democratic leaders and donors are deeply confused about what those “core principles” are, and who is in their coalition. The coalition is one of urban liberals who vote democrat for ideological reasons, and minorities and immigrants who vote Democrat out of self interest. My parents are the type of immigrant who turned Virginia blue. They care about Obamacare. They’ll accommodate some things the urban liberals want to get that. But that doesn’t mean they agree with college educated urban white people about what kids should learn in schools.
The fact is that a big chunk of the Democratic coalition has social values closer to Republicans than to liberal Democrats. Moreover, those are the party’s marginal votes in states like Arizona and Nevada and Georgia. Urban Democrats should live in that reality.
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#74> For many Americans, debt from medical or dental care may be relatively low. About a third owe less than $1,000, the KFF poll found.
I wonder how they'd count me, who puts all expenses on a credit card and pays it off each month, technically I'm going into debt ...
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#75Interesting: > For many Americans, debt from medical or dental care may be relatively low. About a third owe less than $1,000, the KFF poll found. I wonder how they'd count me, who puts all expenses on a credit card and pays it off each month, technically I'm going into debt ...
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#77> “We have a health care system almost perfectly designed to create debt.”
This was true before the ACA – and is still true.
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#78Still better than dealing with rationing. The rest of the world better hope the US never goes socialist with health care - kiss innovation goodbye.
Downvote away though :p
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#79Still better than dealing with rationing. The rest of the world better hope the US never goes socialist with health care - kiss innovation goodbye.
And what exactly is "rationing" - I bet almost every adult in America knows someone (or is that someone) who has delayed going to the doctor/for a procedure (or just never got it entirely) because of how much it is going to cost? Doesn't the inability to even get the required care due to the cost really count as "rationing" in the system we already have?
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#80Medical care providers have families they have to feed too.