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Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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Coming from the more well-off side, it makes friendships with people on the other side harder as well. By chance a good chunk of my social circle in college was less well off than me, and while we liked playing games together I got weird looks for buying shirts new at Macy's or Michelin tires. It just seemed to rub them the wrong way, like they thought I was trying to show off or rub something in their face even thou…

Can confirm this. Middle class here. Have a relationship with someone well-off. I view it as cultural differences that we need to overcome. In our case we did. The only "downside" is that it takes a very consistent form of energy. I'm constantly thinking "if I'd be as rich as she is, how would I deal with the situation?" I can imagine it to some extent due to how I play poker and seeing parallels with my stack size v…

I’ve been with my fiancée 10 years, she was solid middle class with a single mother teacher, I am pretty solid upper middle class growing up.

I just want to say that if allowed to happen you can really be a force together, a moderation force coming from your side and your SO. She buys higher quality trash bags and tires (lol) now and I don’t splurge on stuff all the time now, and don’t waste as much money.

I really appreciate the perspective being with her has given me.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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"Waste" is subjective. Some people may enjoy driving/running a bunch of errands (I find it fun sometimes when I have nothing else to do).

I read a few news stories that during lockdowns, many people would only buy a few groceries at a time, so that they could go out more, and spend time at the market.

I was working in a grocery store at the time. People did head out a lot for groceries due to boredom and low gas prices.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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I was a kid during the 80s when gas was (comparatively) cheap. But I got so sick of living out in the middle of nowhere and having to drive all the time (as a kid, with my parents), that I spend more on housing in urban areas where I can walk to multiple stores. Throwing things away is so difficult these days that I try to make purchases that avoid it. But like...we still have my 5 year olds car seat in our garage be…

> we still have my 5 year olds car seat in our garage because no place will take them (I have to make a trip to the dump, or get a junk hauler to come by with a big load for them and a few hundred bucks). Our garbage system allows us two "bulky item" pickups per year with our regular garbage if we call in advance where they'll take anything in a 3x3x6 volume. For everything else, I just destroy it with old power tool…

Our's doesn't, and there doesn't seem to be a clearly defined bulk item charge for car seats since, before COVID, they could be recycled in our area.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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I was a kid during the 80s when gas was (comparatively) cheap. But I got so sick of living out in the middle of nowhere and having to drive all the time (as a kid, with my parents), that I spend more on housing in urban areas where I can walk to multiple stores. Throwing things away is so difficult these days that I try to make purchases that avoid it. But like...we still have my 5 year olds car seat in our garage be…

> I was a kid during the 80s when gas was (comparatively) cheap. The 1980s are funny, because, the early 1980s were one of the periods of highest sustained gas prices in history, while the late 1980s and 1990s are the lowest ever.

Ya, I should mention that I came of age in the late 18s, and started driving at 15 in 1990.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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Mindless consumption is nothing but a disease, of the mental illness variety. People who get a dopamine burst or some similar neurotransmitter release when they go shopping have been indoctrinated into patterns of behavior that do them no good in the long run. They'll end up with a house crammed with possessions they never use, bought on a whim in order to make themselves feel better. A better mentality is to always…

i certainly wouldn't want to be living in prewar houses with prewar safety and prewar appliances with prewar electricity efficiency and driving prewar cars and receiving prewar medical attention. but i guess to many people, that seems like an upgrade, because they are far too poor to afford modern living. life has gotten worse for a lot of people.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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What makes them a pain to deal with? I work with ultra-privileged people who by all accounts are “well adjusted” and I find them harder to deal with than people I grew up with from home. Many of them have no history of and don’t understand trauma, and as a result they’re unempathetic to what the literal majority of people experience. Edited for clarity

> I work with ultra-privileged people who by all accounts are “well adjusted” and I find them harder to deal with than people I grew up with from home. Many of them have no history of and don’t understand trauma, and as a result they’re unempathetic to what the literal majority of people experience. Financial issues aren't the only trauma in life, by a long shot. Plenty of people in that group have trauma. What makes…

I think you’re underestimating how much trauma correlates with wealth in America.

It’s not just the trauma of being poor, it’s trauma of growing up in a dangerous area, or of your parents getting divorced, or of getting sexually assaulted, or of young friends or family members dying. All of which get far more likely the poorer you are.

Obviously I’m not saying that there aren’t wealthy, Ivy League educated people with trauma. But if we’re looking at the stats it’s not even close.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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I was a kid during both oil shocks of the 1970s. That has absolutely nothing to do with my driving. What does, and not just for driving, is the family taught cultural value of 'don't be wasteful'. So unlike so many people today, I don't make 12 trips a day to stores/friends/whatever when I can just make one or two if I actually think 5 minutes ahead. That applies whether gas is $1 or $5 per gallon. I also try to make…

I do the same behaviours but mostly not to waste time. It feels to me like you're arguing against your own point though. You state that your personal experiences confirm the hypothesis (you grew up during economic shocks, you are not wasteful), but that somehow doesn't confirm the hypothesis? How one feels about one's own values says little about why those values are the way they are. We all feel our values are right, otherwise why would we believe in them?

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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>(bought a new phone? Let's keep the old one even if it has a cracked screen, just in case... .) Never been poor; me and my whole family have always done this. I just forced them to get rid of their standalone DVD player. They have remote controls for devices going back to the 90's. The cellphone example is even better; you'd be a fool to immediately dump your old phone. It's small and easy to store, and if your new…

A -> B =/= B -> A You don't have to be/(have been) poor to be a hoarder. On the old cellphone, my emphasis was a drawer full of backup-to-a-backup-to-a-backup devices that are now 10 years old and is running Android 2 and are potentially a fire hazard while charging and are not fit for use - they are emotional support devices . Keeping one generation of backup device is rational, 3+ means there's something to unpack.…

Different view: sell your old phone soon so you can get better second hand price.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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> I work with ultra-privileged people who by all accounts are “well adjusted” and I find them harder to deal with than people I grew up with from home. Many of them have no history of and don’t understand trauma, and as a result they’re unempathetic to what the literal majority of people experience. Financial issues aren't the only trauma in life, by a long shot. Plenty of people in that group have trauma. What makes…

I think you’re underestimating how much trauma correlates with wealth in America. It’s not just the trauma of being poor, it’s trauma of growing up in a dangerous area, or of your parents getting divorced, or of getting sexually assaulted, or of young friends or family members dying. All of which get far more likely the poorer you are. Obviously I’m not saying that there aren’t wealthy, Ivy League educated people wit…

It's not a competition for who has more trauma, but I generally agree. If you look at my other posts in this thread, I am generally trying to explain what you said well here.

Re: Price shocks in formative years scar consumption for life

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I was a kid during both oil shocks of the 1970s. That has absolutely nothing to do with my driving. What does, and not just for driving, is the family taught cultural value of 'don't be wasteful'. So unlike so many people today, I don't make 12 trips a day to stores/friends/whatever when I can just make one or two if I actually think 5 minutes ahead. That applies whether gas is $1 or $5 per gallon. I also try to make…

In the late 1970's Star Wars toys still worked if the batteries died! Can't say that about an iPad.

But an iPad can replace a hundred toys in terms of the amount of variety in entertainment. Just like it can replace thousands of CDs and books. If we're talking wastefulness I think it comes out ahead.
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